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conspiracy culture has been mainstreamed

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and thus the waters have gotten muddier

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another military intelligence approved

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nothing burger and UFO disclosure or

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very social media mental prisons the

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sorcerer's of Silicon Valley have so

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Kansas City shuffle it seems that while

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keyboard warriors decode another Trump

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screens they've lost sight of the

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corporate criminal class the

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ever-expanding Empire and the deep

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reflection of what reality even is in

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our place in it in fact people will tell

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you magic isn't real while they

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simultaneously sacrifice their

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sovereignty on the altars of convenience

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I empathize though because the Western

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world is an ocean of social engineering

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hooks both new and old freshly cast and

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long abandoned and we are but fish

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swimming through this obstacle course

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trying to navigate without being reeled

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into another behaviorists boat and that

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is why we welcome back the great gordon

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magic makin white for a routine checkup

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and recalibration of all things

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alternative on what is not only his

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tenth appearance on THC but also his

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birthday

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you know gordon is the head master

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his own podcast and digital Hogwarts a

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Troon sitcom where he offers the best

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classes known to man on topics like

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ancestors in the dead magical geography

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the Saints sigils grimoires out-of-body

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journeying and more he's the author of

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starships the Kaos protocols and Pieces

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of Eight he's also fresh off an

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Amazonian ayahuasca retreat I can't wait

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to hear about so let's do the damn thing

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blowing out the digital candles on the

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conspiratorial birthday cake the higher

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globe-trotting wizard and high Pope of

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magical mascot of Tasmania coming in at

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the ripe old age of 27 bend the knee and

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kiss the ring Gordon my man welcome back

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to the higher side thank you so much

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well that was best birthday gift ever

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that is uh yeah ten times lucky that's

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quite the intro kind of you to say I

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did that but you know if it's into me

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extra bit of effort you showed it that

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was awesome and you got my you know age

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after ten times it is getting harder to

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Californian but this is gonna be fun you

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about some issues in the conspiracy

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culture that seem a bit off to my simple

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this Amazonian ayahuasca adventure I

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a great slideshow of all things that

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matter what's the food like where do I

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want to make it next year I know in a

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lot of ways this trip followed the

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typical ayahuasca witch

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street narrative but because you have so

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much experience with spirit contact I am

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curious how this was different or unique

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was it more potent perhaps I'll tell you

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I had not done you know I've done a lot

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been alive I'd never done ayahuasca I

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done ayahuasca analogues and I'd smoked

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DMT a bunch of times and the reason for

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that I was going to do a quote unquote

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correctly which was this with an

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ayahuasca or a shaman in the jungle you

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know on country in the maloca the proper

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way there was something about ayahuasca

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in particular of it for me felt as she

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deserved that and so in that sense yes

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the encounter with as you say like I do

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have a reasonable amount of experience

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of the spirit contact but this is that

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dialed up to 11 what I'm so interested

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in for most people about ayahuasca is

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don't is it effectively a miracle

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medicine but if you want that what I

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call in care protocols becoming

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invincible experience if you want to

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know viscerally and in an embodied sense

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that spirits in some way shape or form

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exist get yourself to a qualified and

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trained shaman and be in ceremony with

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ayahuasca and you will come away knowing

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that and that was kind of why one of the

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things have just been a bucket list item

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and it showed up at the right time and

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it was for that reason it was to see if

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it is that dialed up to 11 embodied

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spirit contact thing and that it was

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item for me too or I always thought of

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it as one but then once you have the

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opportunity to actually do it it starts

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to get very real and I started getting

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quite anxious and I was like I'm not

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gonna do it I can't do it but I told you

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I hold your hand the whole way which

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I'll have like when I go back you know I

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didn't mean like I'm an expert but I

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mean I know what I'm doing operationally

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now not in the actual although the

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shopping huh they said you'll actually

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really like this Greg there was

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something about me that meant that it

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would affect me

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much later than other people so ever

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people come up with in the first half an

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hour 45 minutes and one night it took me

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three hours and the total ceremonies are

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any like four to five hours depending on

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how high everyone gets and so I would I

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took more ayahuasca they actually

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actually consumed more of it than anyone

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else who was in ceremony with me and so

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really high and it was really fun this

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is the kind of like Caucasian gold medal

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that the shaman actually said yeah you

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might get highlight and get really

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really high but you're good at it you're

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good at ceremony you don't fight it you

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don't you know freak out or anything and

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that was just when you hear that yeah

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that's a Caucasian gold medal so I don't

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mean that I'm an expert in that sense I

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mean this is the absolute best way of

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going on that once-in-a-lifetime journey

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with people who are experienced at it

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yes so we can hold your hand the whole

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way right I mean I can't get more

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comfortable it's like if not now when

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behind it that was my thinking behind

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why I chose now as well like we're both

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quite busy I'm like well what am I not

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gonna be well trial-by-fire I guess I

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guess it's got to happen so this is a

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question I wanted to ask you about this

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thing it's gonna get really complicated

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already but one of your best rune soup

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episodes this year for me was talking

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plant cognition and communication with

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really great and she would refer to a

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plant like mimosa as a collective spirit

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mother ayahuasca the specific spirit

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of things but the point is that when we

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take some compounds and we have a

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breakthrough experience for me it's just

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been a transportation to say the spirit

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world and then just a communication with

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whoever is there the machine helps then

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you know but then some people when they

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take this specific compound are talking

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to a specific spirit and I guess I'm

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just trying to work out these tangled

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threads around plant spirits entheogens

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the mechanisms that get you over there

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versus consistently dialing up a

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specific number any idea how to help me

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untangle this not sure so yeah frankly

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so as I said before I'd smoked DMT but I

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hadn't taken ayahuasca and so this is an

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oversimplification but it's a useful one

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if you want to just get there if you

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want to get to the Moschino from smoked

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DMT most commonly and then this is where

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it's sort of it's mostly right but also

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not based on not just my experience to

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the last couple of weeks but the other

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people who are under D etre with me

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ayahuasca as you say it's a combination

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of the copy vine and the Chuck Runa

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leaves right so it's not the spirit of a

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plant but if you consume it in ceremony

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with an Iowa scarab who was made it and

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sung the Icarus into it and called her

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into you know temple and ceremony and so

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ceremony in providing the healing that

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has a cousin medicine she does so for me

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that was the difference in those two

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explicitly with mushrooms it's a bit of

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both you can interact with mushroom I

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tend to do it in an implication sense

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and then you're in mushrooms face and

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you kind of encounter things that are in

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there but also your memories ayahuasca

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was in a funny way close to that you

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interacted with ayahuasca and where she

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would take you or what she would show

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you with smoking DMT it's much more like

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punching into that weird machine of Rome

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now there were a couple of people and

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yet one girl in particular one woman I

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guess which is young who had an

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experience during one of the ones that

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the main thing was around healing of

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everyone who was there and most people

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had kind of like ayahuasca receiving me

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the sort of cosmic nurse Hospital sense

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and she had it she simply was like giant

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bugs she could see giant bugs in the

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maloca like big ants

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mantids essentially performing psychic

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surgery on people and so we had the

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discussion the next day and I'm like

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well yes it's always like you tipped

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further into the ayahuasca realm because

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that has a motif match to what people

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who smoked DMT

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it's not exact although it also is like

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mantids are a good enough description of

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the stuff you encounter when you're in

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smoking DMT machine of space so you

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can tell that there's almost maybe a

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spectrum I don't know but she was one of

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the only people who had experiences with

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motifs that were more commonly

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associated with at least for me smoking

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DMT because I didn't get really any

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Moschino the entire two and a bit weeks

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we were in the jungle

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I got traveling in spirit I got

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ayahuasca I got all that kind of stuff

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but not what I was kind of expecting was

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a bit more like having smoked DMT so

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that's what it is for me I think if you

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approach ayahuasca event almost analog

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dare I say correct I'm not sure if I

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want to use that word exactly but in an

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analog and traditional sense you will

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get IOS get a spirit and if you do it in

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there I'm gonna you know extract or

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synthesize dimethyltryptamine for and

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freebase it you're gonna get something a

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more extreme and almost maybe almost

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like maybe when it's supposed to be

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there I don't know but that's how I

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currently have it hanging in my head

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yeah it is a weird thing to work out and

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just think about how these different

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compounds affect our interaction between

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the two worlds it's quite trippy I mean

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it's it's a huge difference in an

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infinite spirit world to be able to talk

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to one entity directly as opposed to

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just wandering around and seeing who

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shows up like I've never been able to

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visualize or see any of the things I've

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talked to it's all just like a

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consciousness kind of well that's not

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sure you've seen it so for instance when

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you're interacting with the star out in

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the desert yeah you could see the stuff

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it just it looked like a star and that's

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actually quite normal so because it took

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me so long to come out I'd get bored the

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knight in particular took three hours

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I'm like oh come on like I'm lying down

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and everyone's purging around me that's

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it I'm getting up so I got up and I left

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then we look at it's the middle of the

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night in the jungle it's beautiful clear

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skies it's just perfect we're by this

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river of stars and I noticed cuz it

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wasn't that I was completely sober it's

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just that I was mildly altered it was

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kind of like being a bit stoned frankly

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but with the difference that I could

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sense the intelligence of every single

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different

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a tree vine giant frogs like on the walk

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back one night and so on and you kind of

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realize at that point that whether it

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was ayahuasca specifically her

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entheogens in general if he took the

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dose correctly had a tremendous

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advantage to hunting groups because I

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was aware and in some form of

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communication with the more than human

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world around me in the jungle at the

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time so and I think that's and I had

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didn't get that you don't really get

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that kind of stuff if you should make

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DMT but I didn't get that to the same

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level of precision with any other

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entheogen I get it a bit with mushrooms

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on the farm but I got it like I swear I

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speak jungle right when I'm on ayahuasca

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in the jungle and that is sort of to

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your point that I didn't see them

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differently but I was just completely

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confident and aware of the individual

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intelligences of each thing that was

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there now when I ended up when the

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medicine you know dude actually get me

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properly high and I went back into the

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maloca the vein I was encountering the

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sort of Riverside cap that we're on is

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this much more like classic paintings of

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ayahuasca journeys all the sort of

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colors and what have you in that really

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perspective a sense then I encountered

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it but it was interesting and it almost

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like at a lower dose you could just be

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in the jungle at night and be amongst

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friends I guess it's a weird way of

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saying it but that's what I felt like

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well that's awesome because that really

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was going to be my next question was

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just that a lot of starships is about

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restoring a magical context to

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anthropology and just the human story

403
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and what there are ceremonies and these

404
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entheogen fuel spirit contact traditions

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are all about and I was just curious if

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this being in like a really embedded

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setting with one of the most intense

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entheogen Ziff it affected the starships

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hypothesis at all or how you looked at

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indigenous magic or these spirit contact

411
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traditions it seemed like maybe it did a

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little bit yeah sure and weirdly it was

413
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your experience with the star that got

414
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me outside because I've interacted with

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stars without Indians and with them from

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a magical perspective for years

417
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and it certainly occurred to me late

418
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because honestly once I go to two and a

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half hours and I was only a little bit

420
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stoned and everyone else is completely

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hi I'm like well I guess that's what's

422
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happening to me tonight so I might as

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well go out because I can walk

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I might little go out and look at the

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sky and see what I can do you know

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interacting and magic wise and so on and

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so absolutely yeah I think we would have

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a very similar experience of being able

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to have some sort of telepathic

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communication with the night sky on

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these things because that certainly

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happened and in that sense it was a

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further validation but what I noticed

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the most was the which I hadn't done

435
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before or hadn't felt before I just kind

436
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of intellectually knew it

437
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I felt the hunting advantage of being

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good as a shaman or ayahuasca or

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wherever you are in the world where you

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have substances that can alter

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consciousness

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I felt the hunting advantage because the

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jungle was talking to me and I was

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talking to it and I was supposed to be

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there it like everything fit and you

446
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would be able to see better in the dark

447
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and you kind of knew where animals and

448
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things were and that was really really

449
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interesting that it was almost like I

450
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had the impression of some of these

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plant spirits being allies which is what

452
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typically magic you call them right like

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clienteles and so on but I had the

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impression of being allies in the same

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way dogs our allies will have

456
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historically been allies as allies in a

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hunting group so that was it's in there

458
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in the starship thesis but I hadn't

459
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personally experienced that before and

460
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that was kind of fascinating Wow yeah I

461
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love it

462
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man I am excited and terrified for next

463
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year definitely I will get a bit high

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and go hunting

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oh yeah cuz hunting is just something I

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do all the time you have me to better do

467
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it huh but the switch gears a bit this

468
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is your 10th time here and it all

469
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started with a show that was largely

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about Gnosticism 101 and the idea that

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you being a fan of both magic and

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conspiracy felt like conspiracy

473
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researchers tend to make incorrect

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assumptions and claims about the magic

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parts of their repertoire because they

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lack experience with it something that

477
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we're still talking about on the

478
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continued search for better models but

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I thought it would be fun to circle back

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and close the loop here because I've had

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a lot of guests recently who think a

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Gnostic philosophy is what's driving the

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elite and their agendas the arrogant

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idea that we should transcend this

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prison planet and become our own gods

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that it's driving the technologies of

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the Silicon Valley Technic recei that

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it's basically no different from

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Satanism you know we can zoom in on

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certain things in a minute but broadly

491
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speaking can you help us sort this out

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is Gnosticism a viewpoint that's helpful

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and empowering to the individual

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or is it a driving force behind the

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elite secret religion and a component to

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something they're hoping the masses will

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adopt as the one-world state religion

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eventually it's definitely not a driving

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force behind the elite religion except

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in the sense that they maybe not

501
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wouldn't use the word archons but

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they're aware of powerful long human

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entities with which may be off planet or

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not but they can interact with here's

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the thing particularly when you have

506
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people in the show who have a background

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in Orthodox Christianity Eastern

508
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Orthodox in particular let me describe

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it to you in DC universe terms -

510
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Orthodox Christianity

511
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Gnosticism is the Joker it is the

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original villain before witchcraft

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before the invading Moors before whoever

514
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Orthodox Christianity emerged

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historically as a reaction to the many

516
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Gnosticism around it so it is the

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villain they are most afraid of and in

518
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fact the fixity which isn't necessarily

519
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a bad thing if you're a Christian and

520
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you're looking for an internally

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coherent which I had I'm not interested

522
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in but if you're looking for an

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internally coherent philosophy or a

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metaphysics that works Eastern Orthodoxy

525
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is the Christianity that is internally

526
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consistent Catholicism is because it

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sort of broke things for political

528
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reasons about six hundred years after

529
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Christianity formed as a thing right

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it's still most people are Catholic and

531
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then Protestant from Catholic but as a

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result when you get people who come from

533
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that kind of Christianity they are

534
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already predisposed to

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Eastern Orthodoxy is built as an

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essentially a refutation of a lot of

537
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stuff that you find in the multiple

538
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Gnosticism so that kind of explains a

539
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lot of the antipathy if you're referring

540
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to a couple of guests you've had in

541
00:21:12,500 --> 00:21:08,970
particular as for whether it is the

542
00:21:14,270 --> 00:21:12,510
right way of describing the elite belief

543
00:21:16,370 --> 00:21:14,280
system I don't think it is I actually

544
00:21:19,310 --> 00:21:16,380
think that's an inversion because and

545
00:21:20,630 --> 00:21:19,320
it's funny that this guy I know we're

546
00:21:23,659 --> 00:21:20,640
gonna talk about post-modernism later

547
00:21:25,100 --> 00:21:23,669
right it's sort of weird to me that it's

548
00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:25,110
a lack of understanding that makes

549
00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:26,690
people who are in conspiracy land

550
00:21:30,740 --> 00:21:29,010
suspicious of post-modernism and

551
00:21:33,740 --> 00:21:30,750
Gnosticism because at a really high

552
00:21:36,350 --> 00:21:33,750
level what they're both saying is that

553
00:21:38,780 --> 00:21:36,360
people in power will tell you a fake

554
00:21:40,669 --> 00:21:38,790
story to keep themselves in power and

555
00:21:42,740 --> 00:21:40,679
that's essentially Gnosticism

556
00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:42,750
essentially Gnosticism is powerful

557
00:21:48,110 --> 00:21:45,690
things are giving you a false vision of

558
00:21:49,340 --> 00:21:48,120
reality and if you don't work that out

559
00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:49,350
you're [\h__\h]

560
00:21:53,590 --> 00:21:51,210
and if you look at what post-modernism

561
00:21:58,520 --> 00:21:53,600
is it's the same thing it's that power

562
00:22:00,710 --> 00:21:58,530
produces our understanding of gender and

563
00:22:03,230 --> 00:22:00,720
money and the things we can and can't do

564
00:22:05,390 --> 00:22:03,240
like at a macro level post-modernism is

565
00:22:07,850 --> 00:22:05,400
looking at how power change the rules

566
00:22:09,710 --> 00:22:07,860
and definitions of reality across time

567
00:22:12,350 --> 00:22:09,720
there is a flow model understanding of

568
00:22:14,419 --> 00:22:12,360
time that is as informed by that and so

569
00:22:15,830 --> 00:22:14,429
it's Gnosticism really and that's kind

570
00:22:17,810 --> 00:22:15,840
of why they don't like it because it has

571
00:22:19,580 --> 00:22:17,820
this idea especially if you come from a

572
00:22:20,870 --> 00:22:19,590
Eastern Orthodox point of view what

573
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:20,880
you're essentially saying is that

574
00:22:25,070 --> 00:22:23,970
sometime in the 300s a bunch of men got

575
00:22:27,890 --> 00:22:25,080
the description of the universe

576
00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:27,900
perfectly accurate and everyone else is

577
00:22:32,570 --> 00:22:30,690
wrong and I'm not there and I don't

578
00:22:34,789 --> 00:22:32,580
think actually if most of the listens to

579
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:34,799
the show Christian or not if you phrase

580
00:22:36,380 --> 00:22:35,970
it that way I don't think they're there

581
00:22:37,610 --> 00:22:36,390
either

582
00:22:40,490 --> 00:22:37,620
and it's just kind of funny like

583
00:22:42,470 --> 00:22:40,500
libertarianism which you know I'm I'm a

584
00:22:44,409 --> 00:22:42,480
fan but like I need a girl ever

585
00:22:46,700 --> 00:22:44,419
libertarian types who listen to the show

586
00:22:48,260 --> 00:22:46,710
libertarianism has a high vent overlap

587
00:22:49,100 --> 00:22:48,270
with something like post-modernism if

588
00:22:52,460 --> 00:22:49,110
you actually understand what it is

589
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:52,470
because it's like well no I reject the

590
00:22:58,820 --> 00:22:55,290
narratives and bars and restrictions

591
00:23:00,289 --> 00:22:58,830
that come from power they're crap it's

592
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:00,299
always fascinated me is particularly in

593
00:23:03,799 --> 00:23:02,250
the last five or so years that we've

594
00:23:04,810 --> 00:23:03,809
come back around to whaling on these

595
00:23:06,580 --> 00:23:04,820
things and it

596
00:23:11,050 --> 00:23:06,590
there are things with impressed mutton

597
00:23:12,940 --> 00:23:11,060
is a bit disappointing or subject to

598
00:23:16,450 --> 00:23:12,950
critique because I certainly are but

599
00:23:16,780 --> 00:23:16,460
it's weird that it gave how to describe

600
00:23:19,300 --> 00:23:16,790
this

601
00:23:21,940 --> 00:23:19,310
it gave modern discourse a whole bunch

602
00:23:24,190 --> 00:23:21,950
of tools to understand and critiqued

603
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:24,200
power that we didn't have before and

604
00:23:31,290 --> 00:23:28,210
what else are we doing here but that

605
00:23:34,360 --> 00:23:31,300
well said I mean we're in it now but I

606
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:34,370
like that thing about people in power

607
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:36,650
will tell you a false story to stay in

608
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:39,290
power if that is how we sum up these two

609
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:41,690
philosophies obviously that's where I

610
00:23:47,110 --> 00:23:44,810
put my money but I guess I would ask how

611
00:23:49,870 --> 00:23:47,120
that works with post-modernism because I

612
00:23:52,270 --> 00:23:49,880
understand the idea that Empire

613
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:52,280
separates people into categories and

614
00:23:57,580 --> 00:23:54,410
then gets those categories to fight with

615
00:24:00,250 --> 00:23:57,590
each other but they didn't create the

616
00:24:01,690 --> 00:24:00,260
categories of say men and women and some

617
00:24:03,930 --> 00:24:01,700
of these kind of things that are at the

618
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:03,940
forefront of a lot of postmodern

619
00:24:10,750 --> 00:24:06,530
discussions how does this work on the

620
00:24:12,010 --> 00:24:10,760
postmodern side so in a way they did so

621
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:12,020
here's the thing I wouldn't consider

622
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:13,730
myself a post modernist I might consider

623
00:24:17,980 --> 00:24:15,770
myself a post colonialist because what

624
00:24:21,010 --> 00:24:17,990
happened in the 80s as post-modernism

625
00:24:24,150 --> 00:24:21,020
sort of had its peak when Foucault and

626
00:24:26,950 --> 00:24:24,160
the likes are still alive you got some

627
00:24:27,460 --> 00:24:26,960
non-western academics going well hold up

628
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:27,470
a minute

629
00:24:31,360 --> 00:24:30,170
it's all good to say that power being a

630
00:24:34,180 --> 00:24:31,370
king or a government or whatever

631
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:34,190
effectively and in large measure

632
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:36,890
determines reality like this is what we

633
00:24:41,730 --> 00:24:39,410
do and this is how we see the world but

634
00:24:44,970 --> 00:24:41,740
the postmodern angle is coming from a

635
00:24:48,220 --> 00:24:44,980
20th century materialist Marxists

636
00:24:50,380 --> 00:24:48,230
assumption that invalidates a whole lot

637
00:24:51,970 --> 00:24:50,390
of non-western ways of being in the

638
00:24:54,490 --> 00:24:51,980
world and the good example would be

639
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:54,500
India India coming out of a British

640
00:24:58,660 --> 00:24:56,810
imperial occupation and looking around

641
00:25:01,540 --> 00:24:58,670
at its options are going okay well this

642
00:25:03,070 --> 00:25:01,550
is a deeply a big part of particularly

643
00:25:05,350 --> 00:25:03,080
Hindu because obviously the country has

644
00:25:07,660 --> 00:25:05,360
millions of Sikhs and Muslims and so on

645
00:25:10,780 --> 00:25:07,670
as well but from a Hindu perspective it

646
00:25:12,850 --> 00:25:10,790
seems like the post Empire option is to

647
00:25:14,890 --> 00:25:12,860
be some sort of French style atheist

648
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:14,900
post Marxist

649
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:17,210
that's a form of colonization right

650
00:25:21,010 --> 00:25:18,890
because it's sort of this French idea

651
00:25:23,140 --> 00:25:21,020
that all your spiritualities and ways of

652
00:25:25,540 --> 00:25:23,150
being are our little and relative and

653
00:25:27,430 --> 00:25:25,550
not actually true so what I like about

654
00:25:31,090 --> 00:25:27,440
post colonialism is that it has the same

655
00:25:34,120 --> 00:25:31,100
critique of power but it also does its

656
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:34,130
best to not impose a different Western

657
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:37,010
narrative on the world and that's my

658
00:25:40,420 --> 00:25:38,330
main critique with post-modernism that

659
00:25:42,340 --> 00:25:40,430
it kind of and call them in Earth's at

660
00:25:44,830 --> 00:25:42,350
animism because what you have is a flow

661
00:25:47,380 --> 00:25:44,840
model you have this idea and animism is

662
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:47,390
a flow model the postmodern one because

663
00:25:52,360 --> 00:25:49,850
it's French and post-war and thus deeply

664
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:52,370
suspicious of transcendentalism or any

665
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:54,290
kind of spirituality is because they

666
00:25:59,430 --> 00:25:56,330
just had the Nazi occupation and so on

667
00:26:01,540 --> 00:25:59,440
so they they're kind of like cosmic

668
00:26:03,490 --> 00:26:01,550
transcendental essentialist ideas

669
00:26:04,690 --> 00:26:03,500
whereas it's just an Athena in Europe at

670
00:26:06,940 --> 00:26:04,700
the time and you get it this is

671
00:26:09,430 --> 00:26:06,950
historically you understand where that

672
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:09,440
happened but what you have with Foucault

673
00:26:13,810 --> 00:26:12,050
and so on is this idea that history and

674
00:26:15,370 --> 00:26:13,820
it's kind of informed by some 19th

675
00:26:17,710 --> 00:26:15,380
important 19th century philosophers as

676
00:26:19,780 --> 00:26:17,720
well but the idea that the things that

677
00:26:24,010 --> 00:26:19,790
are true change and evolve and interact

678
00:26:26,860 --> 00:26:24,020
based on power power creates truth

679
00:26:28,510 --> 00:26:26,870
rather than restricts it now the main

680
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:28,520
critique the people leveled was that

681
00:26:31,900 --> 00:26:30,530
there are other things that create truth

682
00:26:33,610 --> 00:26:31,910
in the world other than power and that's

683
00:26:36,370 --> 00:26:33,620
very true that's a really valid critique

684
00:26:37,390 --> 00:26:36,380
but you can't remove the idea indeed

685
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:37,400
that's literally what we're all doing

686
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:37,970
here

687
00:26:43,570 --> 00:26:40,210
that power we think of power is

688
00:26:45,430 --> 00:26:43,580
suppressive or oppressive what Poquoson

689
00:26:47,470 --> 00:26:45,440
say was is that it actually creates and

690
00:26:50,470 --> 00:26:47,480
if you look at we're talking about sex

691
00:26:53,190 --> 00:26:50,480
and gender for instance well that comes

692
00:26:56,050 --> 00:26:53,200
down to definitions like biologically

693
00:26:58,240 --> 00:26:56,060
even those categories in different power

694
00:27:00,970 --> 00:26:58,250
regimes change so in non-western ones

695
00:27:02,290 --> 00:27:00,980
you have more than one gender in Animus

696
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:02,300
cultures you have more than two genders

697
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:06,050
right and whilst the body may move

698
00:27:11,380 --> 00:27:08,570
differently in power how gender is

699
00:27:13,060 --> 00:27:11,390
thought of an expressed is absolutely a

700
00:27:15,070 --> 00:27:13,070
function of power and you see for

701
00:27:16,810 --> 00:27:15,080
instance in the 17th and 18th centuries

702
00:27:18,970 --> 00:27:16,820
that

703
00:27:21,009 --> 00:27:18,980
men will make up in wigs and high-heeled

704
00:27:23,019 --> 00:27:21,019
shoes and so in Northwest you have like

705
00:27:25,830 --> 00:27:23,029
the men with a peacocks in the dandies

706
00:27:28,419 --> 00:27:25,840
until this guy Beau Brummel who sort of

707
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:28,429
ultra peacock and kind of changed

708
00:27:34,120 --> 00:27:31,250
men's fashion forever but that's an

709
00:27:37,360 --> 00:27:34,130
example of how elite expressions of

710
00:27:38,830 --> 00:27:37,370
power create gender identity because

711
00:27:40,570 --> 00:27:38,840
that's how they're doing and it's not an

712
00:27:42,279 --> 00:27:40,580
oppressive when they're not restricting

713
00:27:44,019 --> 00:27:42,289
people to doing things they're literally

714
00:27:45,490 --> 00:27:44,029
creating it and it's almost like an

715
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:45,500
inversion of how we think about it in

716
00:27:49,419 --> 00:27:47,090
conspiracy land but it's nevertheless a

717
00:27:51,490 --> 00:27:49,429
really useful way of looking at the

718
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:51,500
relationship between power and truth the

719
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:53,210
people you know and they kind of like

720
00:27:58,090 --> 00:27:55,330
Petersons world that are rejecting

721
00:28:00,430 --> 00:27:58,100
post-modernism we're doing so for that

722
00:28:02,460 --> 00:28:00,440
same Orthodox reason which is they have

723
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:02,470
a collection of ideas that they think

724
00:28:08,470 --> 00:28:05,450
permanently describe reality and this

725
00:28:10,299 --> 00:28:08,480
stuff is coming to erase it all but

726
00:28:13,330 --> 00:28:10,309
those collection of permanent ideas are

727
00:28:15,249 --> 00:28:13,340
embedded in a culture at a time and you

728
00:28:16,869 --> 00:28:15,259
can't say with any confidence that this

729
00:28:19,090 --> 00:28:16,879
one group of like english-speaking

730
00:28:20,889 --> 00:28:19,100
people in the mid twentieth century got

731
00:28:22,659 --> 00:28:20,899
reality correct and and the rest of the

732
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:22,669
billions of people who have lived or

733
00:28:28,419 --> 00:28:25,970
currently are alive haven't if you do it

734
00:28:30,820 --> 00:28:28,429
correctly you have a bit of humility

735
00:28:33,340 --> 00:28:30,830
with what we can and can't understand

736
00:28:35,649 --> 00:28:33,350
but what we do and don't know and that's

737
00:28:38,129 --> 00:28:35,659
where I think in conspiracy land people

738
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:38,139
react to it because they're deeply

739
00:28:43,779 --> 00:28:41,450
emotionally attached to a whole bunch of

740
00:28:46,060 --> 00:28:43,789
premises that they have mistaken for

741
00:28:48,220 --> 00:28:46,070
eternal realities and post-modernism

742
00:28:51,990 --> 00:28:48,230
gives you the option of putting that in

743
00:28:54,669 --> 00:28:52,000
flow and people tend not to like that

744
00:28:57,039 --> 00:28:54,679
there but to play devil's advocate and

745
00:28:58,899 --> 00:28:57,049
make the point that some of the more

746
00:29:02,259 --> 00:28:58,909
conservative or nationalistic

747
00:29:06,340 --> 00:29:02,269
researchers would make if you don't own

748
00:29:09,399 --> 00:29:06,350
and value and preserve the culture or

749
00:29:12,399 --> 00:29:09,409
your heritage and its traditions like

750
00:29:15,580 --> 00:29:12,409
the nuclear family perhaps then that is

751
00:29:18,190 --> 00:29:15,590
when the Empire can co-opt it and steer

752
00:29:21,639 --> 00:29:18,200
it wherever they want to and send you

753
00:29:23,350 --> 00:29:21,649
down a dark path I mean that's their

754
00:29:25,419 --> 00:29:23,360
perspective is we have to keep this

755
00:29:27,220 --> 00:29:25,429
preserved because this is going to be

756
00:29:29,740 --> 00:29:27,230
manipulated or they're going to try to

757
00:29:30,670 --> 00:29:29,750
break this up I mean is that in play a

758
00:29:33,820 --> 00:29:30,680
little bit or

759
00:29:36,580 --> 00:29:33,830
howdy how how do you answer that sure

760
00:29:38,710 --> 00:29:36,590
but like the things that people seem to

761
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:38,720
protect his eternal categories a kind of

762
00:29:42,630 --> 00:29:41,090
recent he is the nuclear family as an

763
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:42,640
example

764
00:29:46,289 --> 00:29:45,010
that's sort of 15 years of post-war

765
00:29:49,169 --> 00:29:46,299
suburban America

766
00:29:50,850 --> 00:29:49,179
that's not how humans have lived it's

767
00:29:52,500 --> 00:29:50,860
kind of racist like I said how humans

768
00:29:54,930 --> 00:29:52,510
have lived around the world least of all

769
00:29:56,820 --> 00:29:54,940
in the West we were multi-generational

770
00:29:58,380 --> 00:29:56,830
dwellings for millions of you well 2

771
00:29:59,850 --> 00:29:58,390
million years like if you include caves

772
00:30:02,280 --> 00:29:59,860
or however long we've been humans right

773
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:02,290
but right through the West you lived

774
00:30:06,750 --> 00:30:04,570
with your grandparents until they died

775
00:30:08,490 --> 00:30:06,760
who's here to take care of them and the

776
00:30:10,410 --> 00:30:08,500
idea that one family can keep three

777
00:30:12,299 --> 00:30:10,420
households solvent is this kind of

778
00:30:14,010 --> 00:30:12,309
American idea that happened after the

779
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:14,020
war when there was no other economic

780
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:16,450
activity anywhere and it's put us all in

781
00:30:22,260 --> 00:30:18,730
debt and basically broke the world in

782
00:30:23,370 --> 00:30:22,270
2007 it's [\h__\h] dumb so if they're

783
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:23,380
talking about that as an eternal

784
00:30:28,710 --> 00:30:26,650
category they're idiots as for gender

785
00:30:30,659 --> 00:30:28,720
and sex that also changes and a bunch of

786
00:30:32,549 --> 00:30:30,669
it's [\h__\h] like I mean you obviously know

787
00:30:34,169 --> 00:30:32,559
what side of those sort of discussions

788
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:34,179
and on with again like with

789
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:36,250
post-modernism that doesn't mean at

790
00:30:39,539 --> 00:30:37,570
everything that comes out of that world

791
00:30:41,430 --> 00:30:39,549
is good or not right for critique it's

792
00:30:42,900 --> 00:30:41,440
the opposite it should be critiqued and

793
00:30:45,530 --> 00:30:42,910
examined it shouldn't be dismissed or

794
00:30:48,659 --> 00:30:45,540
considered [\h__\h] evil because again

795
00:30:51,780 --> 00:30:48,669
post-modernism doesn't come to destroy

796
00:30:53,310 --> 00:30:51,790
it comes to put in flow it comes to

797
00:30:55,890 --> 00:30:53,320
actually so your understanding of

798
00:30:58,980 --> 00:30:55,900
history is limited if you were worried

799
00:30:59,870 --> 00:30:58,990
that this tiny little moment where what

800
00:31:02,370 --> 00:30:59,880
a surprise

801
00:31:04,770 --> 00:31:02,380
heterosexual white males in a capitalist

802
00:31:07,230 --> 00:31:04,780
environment are at the apex

803
00:31:10,350 --> 00:31:07,240
you've mistaken that for Western culture

804
00:31:12,090 --> 00:31:10,360
and that's not good enough and it isn't

805
00:31:14,730 --> 00:31:12,100
good enough it's not that this you know

806
00:31:16,770 --> 00:31:14,740
white heterosexual males aren't valid

807
00:31:19,710 --> 00:31:16,780
categories enough whatever but that's

808
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:19,720
not good enough to say that the nuclear

809
00:31:26,070 --> 00:31:23,530
family and how we lived in the 1950s

810
00:31:29,789 --> 00:31:26,080
under segregation for instance and when

811
00:31:33,750 --> 00:31:29,799
homosexuality is criminalized not good

812
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:33,760
enough and so the idea that the presence

813
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:35,650
of something like post-modernism is

814
00:31:40,890 --> 00:31:38,890
going to make things worse is wrong it

815
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:40,900
will make it different and it might make

816
00:31:44,750 --> 00:31:43,050
it worse if we do it wrong

817
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:44,760
to me a presence doesn't make things

818
00:31:51,890 --> 00:31:47,490
worse it makes things uncomfortable for

819
00:31:54,170 --> 00:31:51,900
power and I like that as do i and it is

820
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:54,180
a tough place for me to be because I

821
00:31:57,950 --> 00:31:56,610
would say that I've always tried to be a

822
00:32:01,040 --> 00:31:57,960
do no harm

823
00:32:03,740 --> 00:32:01,050
conspiracy podcaster but even when you

824
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:03,750
try the conspiracy world can still feel

825
00:32:07,700 --> 00:32:06,210
like old straight white guys talking

826
00:32:10,270 --> 00:32:07,710
about how do you lead or making everyone

827
00:32:13,670 --> 00:32:10,280
gay or trans or brown or multicultural

828
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:13,680
which is sad because these are some of

829
00:32:17,810 --> 00:32:15,570
the people who have had it the hardest

830
00:32:20,930 --> 00:32:17,820
who the Empire has treated the worst and

831
00:32:22,670 --> 00:32:20,940
the conversations sometimes starts to

832
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:22,680
sound like we're being wary of people

833
00:32:28,310 --> 00:32:25,170
that are different rather than being

834
00:32:30,980 --> 00:32:28,320
weary of the elite but I also don't want

835
00:32:33,290 --> 00:32:30,990
to be naively endorsing some sort of

836
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:33,300
weird transhumanists agenda to end

837
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:35,930
humanity so I'm conflicted you know I

838
00:32:40,370 --> 00:32:38,370
completely get that and what you said

839
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:40,380
was really really true and I resonate

840
00:32:45,500 --> 00:32:42,770
with it that a lot of the people who

841
00:32:48,740 --> 00:32:45,510
react to the impact of Empire in their

842
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:48,750
lives by being even semi consciously

843
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:51,330
racist or homophobic or whatever that

844
00:32:54,830 --> 00:32:53,130
comes very often as you point out from a

845
00:32:57,230 --> 00:32:54,840
place of damage they're impacted by it

846
00:32:58,670 --> 00:32:57,240
as well and I completely agree and as a

847
00:33:00,530 --> 00:32:58,680
result what they're does has changed the

848
00:33:01,730 --> 00:33:00,540
tactics which we're just not good at at

849
00:33:04,550 --> 00:33:01,740
the moment we're yelling at each other

850
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:04,560
all over the internet arguing and by the

851
00:33:08,030 --> 00:33:06,450
way as you've kind of observed yourself

852
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:08,040
it's making things worse rather than

853
00:33:12,410 --> 00:33:10,410
better so from a purely tactical

854
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:12,420
perspective maybe there's a different

855
00:33:17,150 --> 00:33:14,130
way of doing this maybe there's a

856
00:33:19,090 --> 00:33:17,160
different way of sharing ideas because

857
00:33:21,230 --> 00:33:19,100
somewhere in the kind of yearly

858
00:33:24,110 --> 00:33:21,240
transphobic world there are people who

859
00:33:27,140 --> 00:33:24,120
are doing in-depth research into say Ray

860
00:33:28,610 --> 00:33:27,150
Kurzweil and other Psychopaths it's just

861
00:33:30,740 --> 00:33:28,620
that they've conflated it in a way that

862
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:30,750
I think requires more new ones which

863
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:34,290
something like a postmodern or flow

864
00:33:39,140 --> 00:33:36,810
understanding of or contextualized

865
00:33:41,630 --> 00:33:39,150
understanding of power might offer them

866
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:41,640
if they didn't immediately dismiss it so

867
00:33:46,850 --> 00:33:44,130
it's really it's a call for everyone to

868
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:46,860
just be a bit nicer and more humble with

869
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:48,330
the things you do and don't know maybe I

870
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:50,610
guess maybe that's what we do yes

871
00:33:56,899 --> 00:33:54,450
absolutely I definitely try to just let

872
00:34:00,019 --> 00:33:56,909
people speak their mind on this show

873
00:34:01,969 --> 00:34:00,029
it just so happens that a lot of them

874
00:34:04,339 --> 00:34:01,979
are speaking their mind in unison on

875
00:34:05,450 --> 00:34:04,349
this particular issue so I'm glad we

876
00:34:07,339 --> 00:34:05,460
could talk about it a little bit I

877
00:34:09,980 --> 00:34:07,349
wanted to ask you about the road that

878
00:34:12,470 --> 00:34:09,990
leads to the gender issue in conspiracy

879
00:34:14,990 --> 00:34:12,480
land which is this idea of the

880
00:34:17,299 --> 00:34:15,000
unification of opposites and I want to

881
00:34:20,089 --> 00:34:17,309
ask you how big an aspect of a cult

882
00:34:21,770 --> 00:34:20,099
philosophy this really is because a lot

883
00:34:23,869 --> 00:34:21,780
of researchers focus on it almost

884
00:34:25,339 --> 00:34:23,879
exclusively where they see the 9/11

885
00:34:27,619 --> 00:34:25,349
ritual and they say look they're

886
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:27,629
collapsing the twin pillars of Jacob and

887
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:30,210
Boaz and reforming a single tower to

888
00:34:34,279 --> 00:34:32,010
represent their new world and then they

889
00:34:36,260 --> 00:34:34,289
applied this logic to the elite are

890
00:34:38,210 --> 00:34:36,270
trying to use CERN to open up gateways

891
00:34:40,609 --> 00:34:38,220
to the spirit world and let their demon

892
00:34:42,619 --> 00:34:40,619
overlords through and mass and collapse

893
00:34:44,659 --> 00:34:42,629
the two genders into one and the two

894
00:34:47,869 --> 00:34:44,669
worlds into one and then God will have

895
00:34:50,149 --> 00:34:47,879
to reflect and start again but what do

896
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:50,159
you say about that how big an aspect of

897
00:34:55,220 --> 00:34:52,770
the elites philosophy is that even in

898
00:34:57,230 --> 00:34:55,230
your opinion of the elite philosophy

899
00:35:00,710 --> 00:34:57,240
it's probably almost nothing in terms of

900
00:35:04,430 --> 00:35:00,720
its origins within Western magic 500

901
00:35:07,789 --> 00:35:04,440
years but really only 150 280 which is

902
00:35:09,890 --> 00:35:07,799
to say alchemy as it's left Egypt with

903
00:35:12,890 --> 00:35:09,900
the Arabs or the Moorish invasion of

904
00:35:14,599 --> 00:35:12,900
Spain was much more physical it was a

905
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:14,609
weird combination we don't really

906
00:35:19,849 --> 00:35:17,130
understand it's difficult for us to get

907
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:19,859
this but it was almost like literal and

908
00:35:26,329 --> 00:35:22,490
metaphorical and they would actually be

909
00:35:27,950 --> 00:35:26,339
attempting to make gold he they were

910
00:35:29,809 --> 00:35:27,960
attempting to transmute physical things

911
00:35:32,990 --> 00:35:29,819
but they were doing that as a kind of

912
00:35:36,350 --> 00:35:33,000
metaphor for how life exists on earth

913
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:36,360
with God in heaven and whatever right

914
00:35:42,380 --> 00:35:39,210
however wets and largely thanks to

915
00:35:44,180 --> 00:35:42,390
alchemy but once quite unquote the

916
00:35:45,710 --> 00:35:44,190
beginnings of modern science I guess

917
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:45,720
happened so a few centuries back the

918
00:35:51,110 --> 00:35:48,330
elite of chemistry and so on alchemy

919
00:35:53,720 --> 00:35:51,120
metaphor eyes itself let's say that and

920
00:35:56,030 --> 00:35:53,730
so how come he became like a metaphor

921
00:35:58,670 --> 00:35:56,040
for the internal transformations that

922
00:36:01,910 --> 00:35:58,680
can happen and that was sort of it is

923
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:01,920
sort of clunky frankly and then you hit

924
00:36:05,990 --> 00:36:04,170
the late 18th early 19th century in the

925
00:36:08,750 --> 00:36:06,000
age of empires where you have like the

926
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:08,760
kind of white European understanding of

927
00:36:14,210 --> 00:36:12,090
things like Tantra from the actual in

928
00:36:17,420 --> 00:36:14,220
brown or corners of the world that had a

929
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:17,430
less ruinous attitude to sex in

930
00:36:22,010 --> 00:36:19,530
particular you know southern Asia or

931
00:36:24,650 --> 00:36:22,020
South Asia so that's where you get

932
00:36:26,030 --> 00:36:24,660
that's where Crowley and elephants levy

933
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:26,040
and all these people get it from

934
00:36:31,220 --> 00:36:28,050
especially Crowley right they get it

935
00:36:33,260 --> 00:36:31,230
from the fact that these exotic colonies

936
00:36:36,110 --> 00:36:33,270
brown people that belonged to Britain in

937
00:36:38,210 --> 00:36:36,120
the 19th century were a fad and so it's

938
00:36:40,700 --> 00:36:38,220
not some kind of eternal belief system

939
00:36:43,340 --> 00:36:40,710
from a an elite that goes back millennia

940
00:36:45,380 --> 00:36:43,350
it is historically range-bound and I

941
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:45,390
think it's a poor interpretation of

942
00:36:50,720 --> 00:36:49,170
something like 9/11 and that comes back

943
00:36:52,710 --> 00:36:50,730
to I think what we had in our first or

944
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:52,720
second discussion which is

945
00:36:57,299 --> 00:36:54,970
have better magic chops if you want to

946
00:36:59,789 --> 00:36:57,309
interpret elite ritual behavior from a

947
00:37:02,400 --> 00:36:59,799
magical perspective because sooner or

948
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:02,410
later will come back on the show and

949
00:37:07,559 --> 00:37:04,410
lift where your thesis is wrong

950
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:07,569
specifically about magic now 9/11 is

951
00:37:13,770 --> 00:37:11,650
riddled with uses of magic and so is the

952
00:37:15,900 --> 00:37:13,780
elite definitely not arguing that I am

953
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:15,910
however arguing this unification of

954
00:37:19,799 --> 00:37:17,770
opposites is a foundational idea of a

955
00:37:22,230 --> 00:37:19,809
belief system at a super elite level I

956
00:37:26,150 --> 00:37:22,240
don't see it and it's not as old as

957
00:37:29,490 --> 00:37:26,160
people think yeah it just seems to be

958
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:29,500
almost the exclusive narrative as to

959
00:37:34,140 --> 00:37:31,450
where we're going I mean you can talk

960
00:37:36,620 --> 00:37:34,150
about 5g and within a few breaths people

961
00:37:39,329 --> 00:37:36,630
are getting to transgenderism with this

962
00:37:41,460 --> 00:37:39,339
transhumanist umbrella I mean David I

963
00:37:43,980 --> 00:37:41,470
excited a few weeks ago here unprompted

964
00:37:46,770 --> 00:37:43,990
even our friend Chris Knowles has been

965
00:37:48,210 --> 00:37:46,780
cataloging a surge and mermaid symbolism

966
00:37:51,089 --> 00:37:48,220
as this very thing

967
00:37:52,470 --> 00:37:51,099
cool so transhumanism is absolutely on

968
00:37:54,839 --> 00:37:52,480
the rise but it's more than the

969
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:54,849
unification of opposites so where people

970
00:37:58,680 --> 00:37:56,890
get that wrong as their ritual behavior

971
00:38:01,260 --> 00:37:58,690
is that's what I said before about

972
00:38:02,819 --> 00:38:01,270
post-modernism having an inheritance

973
00:38:04,410 --> 00:38:02,829
from the 19th century it's specifically

974
00:38:06,809 --> 00:38:04,420
from Hegel

975
00:38:10,650 --> 00:38:06,819
very much informed for the ideas of

976
00:38:12,359 --> 00:38:10,660
Hegel and the idea that it's like 50%

977
00:38:14,579 --> 00:38:12,369
correct that's the thing it's just that

978
00:38:17,069 --> 00:38:14,589
he had this notion that societies

979
00:38:19,019 --> 00:38:17,079
evolved in a pendulum unification of

980
00:38:20,910 --> 00:38:19,029
opposites way so it swings super

981
00:38:23,009 --> 00:38:20,920
conservative and then swings back the

982
00:38:24,809 --> 00:38:23,019
other and crashes and becomes like a

983
00:38:26,789 --> 00:38:24,819
melded thing and then that swings and

984
00:38:28,559 --> 00:38:26,799
and so we have it like essentially one

985
00:38:31,950 --> 00:38:28,569
mechanism of how society develops and

986
00:38:33,870 --> 00:38:31,960
there are cycles to society so in that

987
00:38:35,249 --> 00:38:33,880
sense it's kind of correct but that can

988
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:35,259
be misinterpreted as a ritual

989
00:38:39,870 --> 00:38:36,970
unification of opposites because

990
00:38:43,470 --> 00:38:39,880
actually the Hegelian way of managing

991
00:38:45,749 --> 00:38:43,480
society didn't form just like some of

992
00:38:49,109 --> 00:38:45,759
the Alinsky school people right so the

993
00:38:51,539 --> 00:38:49,119
Linsky was not entirely other things

994
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:51,549
that he was inspired by but that big

995
00:38:54,809 --> 00:38:53,170
alien way of managing society was

996
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:54,819
something that he would teach and thus

997
00:39:00,809 --> 00:38:56,410
as a result taught to Hillary Clinton

998
00:39:02,940 --> 00:39:00,819
you know so that is their the idea that

999
00:39:05,779 --> 00:39:02,950
you can kind of smash things together to

1000
00:39:09,029 --> 00:39:05,789
create a new thing if there is a tactic

1001
00:39:12,299 --> 00:39:09,039
not necessarily a ritual level at a

1002
00:39:14,609 --> 00:39:12,309
universal sense at them like this is a

1003
00:39:16,380 --> 00:39:14,619
bit if we they're there and if you smush

1004
00:39:18,359 --> 00:39:16,390
them together ironically enough if you

1005
00:39:21,930 --> 00:39:18,369
make them all one you miss the point

1006
00:39:23,220 --> 00:39:21,940
but transhumanism is more than and I

1007
00:39:24,690 --> 00:39:23,230
mean this is a negative I'm not a fan

1008
00:39:26,309 --> 00:39:24,700
twenty minutes is more than the

1009
00:39:29,609 --> 00:39:26,319
unification of opposites transhumanism

1010
00:39:32,009 --> 00:39:29,619
is the horizontal izing in extending in

1011
00:39:34,079 --> 00:39:32,019
their heads the extending of human

1012
00:39:36,329 --> 00:39:34,089
capacities beyond the human because they

1013
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:36,339
see us as just meat and chemicals like

1014
00:39:39,569 --> 00:39:37,930
everything else in the universe so this

1015
00:39:41,970 --> 00:39:39,579
kind of like no it's not like a

1016
00:39:44,339 --> 00:39:41,980
unification of opposites it's a

1017
00:39:46,799 --> 00:39:44,349
spreading out this of chemicals and

1018
00:39:49,319 --> 00:39:46,809
molecules from in this meat sack to the

1019
00:39:51,089 --> 00:39:49,329
rest of it that's more what's going on

1020
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:51,099
that's more the event absolutely what's

1021
00:39:54,569 --> 00:39:52,450
going on and that is a belief system

1022
00:39:56,489 --> 00:39:54,579
that's where you do have the rise of the

1023
00:39:57,930 --> 00:39:56,499
mermaid archetype early if not as a

1024
00:39:59,130 --> 00:39:57,940
deliberate which I don't think it is as

1025
00:40:02,309 --> 00:39:59,140
much as Christos I don't think it's a

1026
00:40:04,019 --> 00:40:02,319
deliberate signal or indicator I think

1027
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:04,029
it's emerging from the collective

1028
00:40:08,249 --> 00:40:05,890
unconscious because we're at this stage

1029
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:08,259
and bearing in mind that it's a

1030
00:40:12,390 --> 00:40:10,210
dangerous archetype because it's a siren

1031
00:40:15,269 --> 00:40:12,400
right like it it leads ships or to rocks

1032
00:40:18,210 --> 00:40:15,279
so it is still worthy of consideration

1033
00:40:18,750 --> 00:40:18,220
as to why it is so prominent in culture

1034
00:40:22,830 --> 00:40:18,760
because

1035
00:40:24,750 --> 00:40:22,840
it's a warning but that's like I think

1036
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:24,760
when we want to talk about transhumanism

1037
00:40:28,380 --> 00:40:26,410
which we should because it's important

1038
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:28,390
if we bundle all these things together

1039
00:40:33,780 --> 00:40:31,090
every bundle the impact of Hegel on on

1040
00:40:36,780 --> 00:40:33,790
the kind of 20th century technic rats

1041
00:40:40,010 --> 00:40:36,790
and if we bundle in the sort of 19th

1042
00:40:42,780 --> 00:40:40,020
century exoticism and imperialism of

1043
00:40:45,210 --> 00:40:42,790
like secret society belief systems which

1044
00:40:47,460 --> 00:40:45,220
isn't in play as much as some kind of

1045
00:40:49,350 --> 00:40:47,470
like weird ancient alien thing is a

1046
00:40:51,570 --> 00:40:49,360
disappear late level have you smushed

1047
00:40:54,390 --> 00:40:51,580
them all together this is where I think

1048
00:40:56,940 --> 00:40:54,400
we get a bit confused and react with

1049
00:40:59,010 --> 00:40:56,950
confusion to the changes that are going

1050
00:41:00,510 --> 00:40:59,020
on politically in power politically

1051
00:41:04,650 --> 00:41:00,520
because we're expecting it to be some

1052
00:41:08,010 --> 00:41:04,660
sort of smushed together man mermaid

1053
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:08,020
Merman Tower and it's not that that

1054
00:41:14,540 --> 00:41:12,370
won't help and yeah Daniel is hybrid

1055
00:41:17,250 --> 00:41:14,550
humans Gordon that's what they're doing

1056
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:17,260
no that's true yeah yeah but I don't

1057
00:41:20,100 --> 00:41:18,130
think the right way of thinking about

1058
00:41:24,090 --> 00:41:20,110
that is unification of opposites the

1059
00:41:25,500 --> 00:41:24,100
hybrid or cyborg is absolutely where

1060
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:25,510
they're going or intending to go like

1061
00:41:29,220 --> 00:41:27,010
the good news for people who are a bit

1062
00:41:30,270 --> 00:41:29,230
alarmed by this is well you should be is

1063
00:41:32,430 --> 00:41:30,280
it won't work

1064
00:41:34,170 --> 00:41:32,440
it can't their foundational belief

1065
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:34,180
system is wrong like you were more than

1066
00:41:38,370 --> 00:41:36,850
molecules right so it won't ever work

1067
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:38,380
like even if you actually listen to

1068
00:41:42,990 --> 00:41:40,210
records well if you which is tedxtokyo

1069
00:41:46,140 --> 00:41:43,000
that you you are some sort of deranged

1070
00:41:48,660 --> 00:41:46,150
upside down christian apocalypta cyst

1071
00:41:50,790 --> 00:41:48,670
this is mental so the good news is it

1072
00:41:52,110 --> 00:41:50,800
won't work and the bad news is they

1073
00:41:55,980 --> 00:41:52,120
don't know that and are still pretty

1074
00:41:58,710 --> 00:41:55,990
keen in kind of organizing society in

1075
00:42:00,840 --> 00:41:58,720
that direction fair and I'm glad that we

1076
00:42:03,870 --> 00:42:00,850
can have uncomfortable conversations

1077
00:42:06,090 --> 00:42:03,880
because not everyone can and this is

1078
00:42:07,620 --> 00:42:06,100
where it gets into some landmine issues

1079
00:42:11,010 --> 00:42:07,630
and I'm just gonna close my eyes and run

1080
00:42:12,240 --> 00:42:11,020
you but I listened to this recent time

1081
00:42:14,610 --> 00:42:12,250
you were on skeptic oh and the

1082
00:42:16,290 --> 00:42:14,620
conversation got into the Gloria Steinem

1083
00:42:18,510 --> 00:42:16,300
and the feminism thing being a

1084
00:42:21,060 --> 00:42:18,520
weaponized movement by the CIA we've

1085
00:42:23,100 --> 00:42:21,070
heard this before and you had said they

1086
00:42:25,110 --> 00:42:23,110
probably had an interest in feminism to

1087
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:25,120
see if it could be used for depopulation

1088
00:42:29,730 --> 00:42:27,850
and I agree with you there but do you

1089
00:42:31,730 --> 00:42:29,740
think that something similar has

1090
00:42:34,250 --> 00:42:31,740
occurred in the time sense with

1091
00:42:37,310 --> 00:42:34,260
chemicals and hormones and the food and

1092
00:42:40,339 --> 00:42:37,320
water supply that feminized men or to go

1093
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:40,349
further this new trend to give puberty

1094
00:42:45,230 --> 00:42:43,050
blocking chemicals to so-called trans

1095
00:42:48,770 --> 00:42:45,240
children it seems to have a similar

1096
00:42:51,380 --> 00:42:48,780
shape to me in that goal of depopulation

1097
00:42:55,339 --> 00:42:51,390
or regulating who's having kids and that

1098
00:43:01,220 --> 00:42:55,349
kind of stuff what say you I know it

1099
00:43:06,099 --> 00:43:01,230
gets a lot of their time but simply put

1100
00:43:09,849 --> 00:43:06,109
the number of kids who are receiving

1101
00:43:12,740 --> 00:43:09,859
hormone treatment at the age of 10 is

1102
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:12,750
incandescent Li small and as for the

1103
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:14,490
legality of it and so what like this is

1104
00:43:19,550 --> 00:43:17,490
what I mean about obviously I'm Pro

1105
00:43:22,310 --> 00:43:19,560
trans like that's fine that doesn't mean

1106
00:43:23,359 --> 00:43:22,320
that because again this kind of comes

1107
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:23,369
like to a postmodern thing right it

1108
00:43:29,270 --> 00:43:26,210
doesn't mean that how we conceive of

1109
00:43:32,390 --> 00:43:29,280
embodied gender right now in the middle

1110
00:43:34,370 --> 00:43:32,400
of 2019 is correct and so we need to

1111
00:43:35,420 --> 00:43:34,380
cooler jets on that and I just use the

1112
00:43:38,089 --> 00:43:35,430
fact that other cultures around the

1113
00:43:40,370 --> 00:43:38,099
world do have I would say better and

1114
00:43:43,010 --> 00:43:40,380
healthier understandings of how embody

1115
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:43,020
gender works right so I don't know if

1116
00:43:47,050 --> 00:43:45,330
necessarily unless it's a testing

1117
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:47,060
program I don't know if necessarily

1118
00:43:51,620 --> 00:43:49,410
providing hormone treatment to children

1119
00:43:54,349 --> 00:43:51,630
as part of depopulation but I'll tell

1120
00:43:55,849 --> 00:43:54,359
you what is it is the total cost of

1121
00:43:56,690 --> 00:43:55,859
health care it is a total cost of

1122
00:43:58,910 --> 00:43:56,700
raising a child

1123
00:44:01,370 --> 00:43:58,920
my background is demography as you know

1124
00:44:03,740 --> 00:44:01,380
and if you look at birth rates in Italy

1125
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:03,750
in particular because when Italy joined

1126
00:44:08,540 --> 00:44:06,690
the EU its currency like places like

1127
00:44:10,430 --> 00:44:08,550
Greece strengthened them so things got a

1128
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:10,440
lot more expensive access to debt was

1129
00:44:14,150 --> 00:44:12,330
easier but if you look at the birth

1130
00:44:16,940 --> 00:44:14,160
rates in a very Catholic country and it

1131
00:44:19,849 --> 00:44:16,950
goes from five kids to like 1.1 kids

1132
00:44:23,329 --> 00:44:19,859
right over that point in time so this is

1133
00:44:24,829 --> 00:44:23,339
why if you look at conspiracy over even

1134
00:44:27,530 --> 00:44:24,839
before our time great because you know

1135
00:44:29,180 --> 00:44:27,540
I'm 27 and I forget what you were but if

1136
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:29,190
you look at it over a multi-decade phase

1137
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:34,290
it does appear in the 70s that they

1138
00:44:39,890 --> 00:44:37,170
really were looking for ways to manually

1139
00:44:41,839 --> 00:44:39,900
depopulate the earth and all of a sudden

1140
00:44:44,180 --> 00:44:41,849
I'd made that I mean in the mid-90s that

1141
00:44:47,450 --> 00:44:44,190
seems to become less of a priority and I

1142
00:44:48,829 --> 00:44:47,460
would argue that they did what I used to

1143
00:44:50,509 --> 00:44:48,839
do as a job which is look at the

1144
00:44:52,549 --> 00:44:50,519
demography of it and go okay well we've

1145
00:44:54,079 --> 00:44:52,559
China's done the one-child thing and

1146
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:54,089
they have a demographic time bomb coming

1147
00:44:58,130 --> 00:44:56,249
up and we've made it extremely expensive

1148
00:45:00,190 --> 00:44:58,140
to have children elsewhere and we've put

1149
00:45:02,660 --> 00:45:00,200
more women in the workforce so

1150
00:45:03,970 --> 00:45:02,670
conveniently because you know not all of

1151
00:45:06,410 --> 00:45:03,980
them are possessed by demons

1152
00:45:07,789 --> 00:45:06,420
conveniently they've they're looking at

1153
00:45:09,109 --> 00:45:07,799
and this is true by the way that we

1154
00:45:11,299 --> 00:45:09,119
think the planets population is growing

1155
00:45:13,339 --> 00:45:11,309
it's only growing to 2050 a minute if it

1156
00:45:15,319 --> 00:45:13,349
isn't they've kind of achieved it the

1157
00:45:17,210 --> 00:45:15,329
population is going down in terms of

1158
00:45:19,519 --> 00:45:17,220
your technic wrap the second half of the

1159
00:45:22,789 --> 00:45:19,529
20th century we'll have as far as we can

1160
00:45:24,140 --> 00:45:22,799
tell from just the inertia a declining a

1161
00:45:27,019 --> 00:45:24,150
sort of flattening and in declining

1162
00:45:29,749 --> 00:45:27,029
number of people so I think it's more

1163
00:45:33,259 --> 00:45:29,759
like that absolutely I honestly think

1164
00:45:34,819 --> 00:45:33,269
that a in a technocratic sense that's a

1165
00:45:36,710 --> 00:45:34,829
tick it's a mission accomplished they

1166
00:45:38,420 --> 00:45:36,720
can unfurl the banner and as far as we

1167
00:45:41,900 --> 00:45:38,430
can tell unless you know there's some

1168
00:45:43,460 --> 00:45:41,910
sort of delayed chemical a genetic or

1169
00:45:46,220 --> 00:45:43,470
viral thing that's gonna happen between

1170
00:45:48,650 --> 00:45:46,230
now and 2050 and you know let's not rule

1171
00:45:51,140 --> 00:45:48,660
that out I think it's more like that I

1172
00:45:54,650 --> 00:45:51,150
think that actually depopulation is

1173
00:45:56,479 --> 00:45:54,660
currently happening yeah I mean I agree

1174
00:45:59,509 --> 00:45:56,489
and I think those economic pressures are

1175
00:46:02,269 --> 00:45:59,519
one of the keys also just it's not

1176
00:46:05,509 --> 00:46:02,279
necessarily a feminizing of men but just

1177
00:46:07,489 --> 00:46:05,519
this idea that I mean look at if I think

1178
00:46:10,549 --> 00:46:07,499
about what my grandfather was doing at

1179
00:46:14,150 --> 00:46:10,559
34 it's a lot hell of a lot different

1180
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:14,160
and and more self-reliant and determined

1181
00:46:17,660 --> 00:46:16,410
than what I'm doing I mean he's I think

1182
00:46:19,099 --> 00:46:17,670
a lot of people think of our

1183
00:46:21,499 --> 00:46:19,109
grandparents generation is they're

1184
00:46:23,329 --> 00:46:21,509
building their own houses and then going

1185
00:46:25,339 --> 00:46:23,339
off to work and having eight kids and

1186
00:46:27,140 --> 00:46:25,349
just raising them all and not that it

1187
00:46:30,249 --> 00:46:27,150
was a paradise but you can clearly see

1188
00:46:33,190 --> 00:46:30,259
that has changed and I think it's the

1189
00:46:36,380 --> 00:46:33,200
domestication maybe rather than the

1190
00:46:38,809 --> 00:46:36,390
pacification hope the American male that

1191
00:46:41,779 --> 00:46:38,819
I mean we really are just not given the

1192
00:46:43,069 --> 00:46:41,789
tools and so we're all still you know

1193
00:46:45,319 --> 00:46:43,079
Millennials living in our parents

1194
00:46:47,509 --> 00:46:45,329
basement hanging out on social media and

1195
00:46:49,620 --> 00:46:47,519
in digital realities rather than facing

1196
00:46:53,670 --> 00:46:49,630
the real world one you

1197
00:46:55,710 --> 00:46:53,680
sure the thing is let's use this example

1198
00:46:58,500 --> 00:46:55,720
like your grandfather didn't have the

1199
00:47:00,720 --> 00:46:58,510
choice to be a podcaster bear maybe he'd

1200
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:00,730
want to be so now you actually have both

1201
00:47:08,910 --> 00:47:03,370
and he only had one you have the choice

1202
00:47:10,350 --> 00:47:08,920
to I don't know shop would camp like but

1203
00:47:12,780 --> 00:47:10,360
you do yeah it's not out of necessity

1204
00:47:14,910 --> 00:47:12,790
but it is still an option yeah

1205
00:47:17,550 --> 00:47:14,920
and so when I mean because we're both

1206
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:17,560
we're both millenials I don't live in my

1207
00:47:22,170 --> 00:47:19,450
parents basement it neither do you yeah

1208
00:47:24,390 --> 00:47:22,180
so but the people who do and let's be

1209
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:24,400
clear it's the population that has lived

1210
00:47:29,070 --> 00:47:26,890
with their parents longest in the

1211
00:47:32,730 --> 00:47:29,080
twentieth century right and 21st century

1212
00:47:35,220 --> 00:47:32,740
who knows that is an economic side

1213
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:35,230
effect as much as it is anything else so

1214
00:47:38,010 --> 00:47:36,850
it's kind of like well yeah the housing

1215
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:38,020
has historically never been this

1216
00:47:42,570 --> 00:47:40,570
expensive and we're in a situation where

1217
00:47:44,790 --> 00:47:42,580
that's a challenging thing to soul and

1218
00:47:46,140 --> 00:47:44,800
also I'm happy with multi-generational

1219
00:47:47,850 --> 00:47:46,150
dwelling like I think that's how we

1220
00:47:49,350 --> 00:47:47,860
should be living but I get what you

1221
00:47:52,020 --> 00:47:49,360
saying here's the thing that it always

1222
00:47:55,350 --> 00:47:52,030
fascinates me right like I'm completely

1223
00:47:56,700 --> 00:47:55,360
fine with people like everyone just live

1224
00:47:59,190 --> 00:47:56,710
your best [\h__\h] lives right so I don't

1225
00:48:01,320 --> 00:47:59,200
care about people's gender identities or

1226
00:48:02,700 --> 00:48:01,330
expressions on however many genders you

1227
00:48:04,980 --> 00:48:02,710
can select on Facebook because I don't

1228
00:48:07,410 --> 00:48:04,990
use Facebook what I've never had

1229
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:07,420
explained to me is how the existence of

1230
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:10,330
more things is supposed to somehow take

1231
00:48:13,020 --> 00:48:11,890
away from the existence of the richer

1232
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:13,030
like if you were on the Kinsey scale

1233
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:17,290
right up there man's man like chopping

1234
00:48:22,710 --> 00:48:19,570
wood straight as an arrow yeah yeah yeah

1235
00:48:24,720 --> 00:48:22,720
you know dressing like in 1970s lesbian

1236
00:48:28,380 --> 00:48:24,730
spitting chewing tobacco whatever like

1237
00:48:30,810 --> 00:48:28,390
if you are ultra male what does the

1238
00:48:32,940 --> 00:48:30,820
existence of people along a non-binary

1239
00:48:34,950 --> 00:48:32,950
spectrum how does that do they take some

1240
00:48:37,350 --> 00:48:34,960
of your masculinity out and spread it

1241
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:37,360
across five people and that's the bit

1242
00:48:43,110 --> 00:48:40,570
where I might find just everyone surely

1243
00:48:46,110 --> 00:48:43,120
it's good news that humans can find and

1244
00:48:48,060 --> 00:48:46,120
express the way they want to be that

1245
00:48:51,420 --> 00:48:48,070
makes them happy and I don't get why if

1246
00:48:53,780 --> 00:48:51,430
you're like a completely Lucille Ball

1247
00:48:58,030 --> 00:48:53,790
vacuuming in a taffeta ball gown

1248
00:49:01,430 --> 00:48:58,040
housewife or if you're yeah a lumberjack

1249
00:49:03,230 --> 00:49:01,440
good you know people in the middle I

1250
00:49:05,570 --> 00:49:03,240
guess I don't know I've never understood

1251
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:05,580
how the existence of one wouldn'ta gate

1252
00:49:10,190 --> 00:49:08,370
the existence of another well said and I

1253
00:49:12,710 --> 00:49:10,200
think that's an excellent point that's

1254
00:49:14,270 --> 00:49:12,720
the kind of thing I wanted you to say

1255
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:14,280
and having this conversation it's the

1256
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:16,770
kind of counterpoint that I wanted to

1257
00:49:20,900 --> 00:49:19,290
try to put out there for people and you

1258
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:20,910
know another thing about this

1259
00:49:25,370 --> 00:49:23,130
post-modernism thing is that the

1260
00:49:27,230 --> 00:49:25,380
Conservatives argument is that oh the

1261
00:49:30,700 --> 00:49:27,240
system wants to strip the labels off

1262
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:30,710
everything and create this big

1263
00:49:37,910 --> 00:49:33,810
homogeneous mess and then they think it

1264
00:49:40,250 --> 00:49:37,920
degrades something of theirs but I get

1265
00:49:43,190 --> 00:49:40,260
this argument that labels and categories

1266
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:43,200
on the Material Plane mean less if

1267
00:49:47,420 --> 00:49:45,450
everything is ultimately consciousness

1268
00:49:50,180 --> 00:49:47,430
and this material realm is just an

1269
00:49:53,240 --> 00:49:50,190
illusion but the material realm is our

1270
00:49:56,090 --> 00:49:53,250
context at this part of the cycle labels

1271
00:49:57,800 --> 00:49:56,100
and categories seem somewhat useful but

1272
00:49:59,510 --> 00:49:57,810
I guess it's like what they say about

1273
00:50:01,940 --> 00:49:59,520
Martin Luther King jr. when he was

1274
00:50:03,260 --> 00:50:01,950
fighting for black people's rights he

1275
00:50:06,710 --> 00:50:03,270
was allowed to do that it's what he

1276
00:50:08,870 --> 00:50:06,720
started uniting poor people that they

1277
00:50:10,730 --> 00:50:08,880
had to get rid of them yeah yeah yeah

1278
00:50:13,250 --> 00:50:10,740
poor people and when you get anti-war

1279
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:13,260
yes look it's it's not the labels the to

1280
00:50:18,050 --> 00:50:16,170
owns the label maker so that's the

1281
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:18,060
problem the people who say they're

1282
00:50:20,990 --> 00:50:19,290
trying to remove labels are turn it into

1283
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:21,000
a mush no [\h__\h]

1284
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:22,410
I'm trying to take the label maker out

1285
00:50:26,690 --> 00:50:24,570
of your [\h__\h] hand how about we share

1286
00:50:28,310 --> 00:50:26,700
that around yeah because the people who

1287
00:50:29,870 --> 00:50:28,320
say that are like no these ones are the

1288
00:50:31,370 --> 00:50:29,880
men and these ones are the women and and

1289
00:50:33,020 --> 00:50:31,380
you will go and fight in my war in the

1290
00:50:36,140 --> 00:50:33,030
Middle East and turn Arab children to

1291
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:36,150
paste like no it's not removal of labels

1292
00:50:39,980 --> 00:50:38,130
it's well who's got the goddamn label

1293
00:50:42,190 --> 00:50:39,990
maker and that would be funnily enough

1294
00:50:43,430 --> 00:50:42,200
that would be the postmodernist point

1295
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:43,440
Touche

1296
00:50:49,250 --> 00:50:46,650
and I guess any idea can be weaponized

1297
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:49,260
in fact most of them usually are at some

1298
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:52,170
point so I'm sure that's going to be in

1299
00:50:55,730 --> 00:50:53,970
the mix and it's not completely black

1300
00:50:58,340 --> 00:50:55,740
and white but I definitely like that

1301
00:51:01,310 --> 00:50:58,350
expression of it the label maker yeah

1302
00:51:04,670 --> 00:51:01,320
100% and with seeing that it coaches

1303
00:51:06,550 --> 00:51:04,680
that are on the edge Oh in aspects of

1304
00:51:09,290 --> 00:51:06,560
culture that are on the edge of

1305
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:09,300
increasing change so as I said to Alex

1306
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:10,770
you mentioned that the skeptic oh and if

1307
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:11,210
you

1308
00:51:15,490 --> 00:51:13,370
there is within particularly from an

1309
00:51:17,950 --> 00:51:15,500
academic perspective the transfers I

1310
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:17,960
have are academics they're just living

1311
00:51:22,450 --> 00:51:21,170
their lives and and to some extent and

1312
00:51:24,070 --> 00:51:22,460
I'm thinking one in particular what it

1313
00:51:26,140 --> 00:51:24,080
may have Melbourne friends when I bring

1314
00:51:27,970 --> 00:51:26,150
them like what about this person in

1315
00:51:30,450 --> 00:51:27,980
these this stuff and they'll say like

1316
00:51:32,530 --> 00:51:30,460
this is trash this person is crazy and

1317
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:32,540
particularly in academia which has

1318
00:51:36,940 --> 00:51:34,610
always happened well when I say always

1319
00:51:38,830 --> 00:51:36,950
happened since the rise of elite

1320
00:51:40,390 --> 00:51:38,840
universities in Britain and the United

1321
00:51:42,700 --> 00:51:40,400
States

1322
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:42,710
you will always have the weaponization

1323
00:51:48,700 --> 00:51:45,890
of change opportunities at an academic

1324
00:51:52,599 --> 00:51:48,710
level and there is some crazy [\h__\h] that

1325
00:51:54,870 --> 00:51:52,609
is said about like trans lives and trans

1326
00:51:57,009 --> 00:51:54,880
implications at an academic level

1327
00:51:58,630 --> 00:51:57,019
hundred percent and it's just a bit of a

1328
00:51:59,920 --> 00:51:58,640
straw man argument though for people who

1329
00:52:01,120 --> 00:51:59,930
are anti trans to go and go we'll look

1330
00:52:04,720 --> 00:52:01,130
at this person saying this I'm right

1331
00:52:07,029 --> 00:52:04,730
yeah one dried up academic do you know

1332
00:52:09,009 --> 00:52:07,039
any trans people who are just like just

1333
00:52:09,819 --> 00:52:09,019
doing their [\h__\h] right and that's

1334
00:52:11,589 --> 00:52:09,829
absolutely true

1335
00:52:12,970 --> 00:52:11,599
there's weaponization in all of this

1336
00:52:14,710 --> 00:52:12,980
stuff just in the same way I practice

1337
00:52:16,390 --> 00:52:14,720
magic and I know damn well and then

1338
00:52:17,829 --> 00:52:16,400
funny enough I would argue that the

1339
00:52:19,870 --> 00:52:17,839
slight majority of people who practice

1340
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:19,880
magic in the West are unaware of this at

1341
00:52:23,799 --> 00:52:22,249
a super elite level damn right they're

1342
00:52:26,170 --> 00:52:23,809
practicing magic it's different to mine

1343
00:52:28,359 --> 00:52:26,180
but they are and it's the same kind of

1344
00:52:31,420 --> 00:52:28,369
like well that doesn't mean we best not

1345
00:52:33,279 --> 00:52:31,430
dismiss magic let's maybe not murder

1346
00:52:34,690 --> 00:52:33,289
children in a super league ritual at

1347
00:52:37,390 --> 00:52:34,700
Dolphin Square or something right that

1348
00:52:38,620 --> 00:52:37,400
seems like a reasonable separation and

1349
00:52:39,999 --> 00:52:38,630
it's the same with any of this stuff

1350
00:52:41,470 --> 00:52:40,009
we're looking about and I kind of

1351
00:52:43,509 --> 00:52:41,480
mentioned that with post-modernism like

1352
00:52:44,979 --> 00:52:43,519
it's not that these things are flawless

1353
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:44,989
or perfect or that we should all fall in

1354
00:52:50,999 --> 00:52:47,450
line far from it we should be in a

1355
00:52:55,059 --> 00:52:51,009
situation to critique rather than reject

1356
00:52:56,109 --> 00:52:55,069
cheers to that and so the last thing I

1357
00:52:59,049 --> 00:52:56,119
wanted to ask you know I've definitely

1358
00:53:01,239 --> 00:52:59,059
fallen behind on the courses and I

1359
00:53:03,069 --> 00:53:01,249
sometimes feel like a poseur when it

1360
00:53:05,170 --> 00:53:03,079
comes to magic because I promote it a

1361
00:53:07,630 --> 00:53:05,180
lot but I don't put conscious attention

1362
00:53:10,749 --> 00:53:07,640
into it all that much but it's the same

1363
00:53:12,430 --> 00:53:10,759
as good exercise or proper diet I don't

1364
00:53:13,989 --> 00:53:12,440
have to be perfect with these things to

1365
00:53:16,359 --> 00:53:13,999
feel confident saying that they are

1366
00:53:19,420 --> 00:53:16,369
things that can improve a person's life

1367
00:53:22,539 --> 00:53:19,430
but you know I've yet to take ancestors

1368
00:53:26,859 --> 00:53:22,549
in the dead magical geography saints or

1369
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:26,869
journeying what might be aspects of some

1370
00:53:32,589 --> 00:53:29,930
of these most recent courses that a THC

1371
00:53:34,599 --> 00:53:32,599
audience might like most if you had to

1372
00:53:37,830 --> 00:53:34,609
pull one or two things out

1373
00:53:39,690 --> 00:53:37,840
whoo that's real tough

1374
00:53:43,990 --> 00:53:39,700
[Music]

1375
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:44,000
assuming that they like getting high as

1376
00:53:47,710 --> 00:53:45,050
much as you do

1377
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:47,720
I mean that's a big assumption right and

1378
00:53:53,500 --> 00:53:51,890
and the journey in course is very well

1379
00:53:55,690 --> 00:53:53,510
it's a good stone and discussion because

1380
00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:55,700
we talk about what what are dreams and

1381
00:53:59,140 --> 00:53:57,410
the imagination and is that different to

1382
00:54:01,000 --> 00:53:59,150
the spirit worlds and as a result not so

1383
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:01,010
honestly maybe it's the journey and of

1384
00:54:05,020 --> 00:54:03,530
course again assuming that they like to

1385
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:05,030
get high as much as you do and my

1386
00:54:07,630 --> 00:54:06,650
favorite and I think the members has

1387
00:54:08,740 --> 00:54:07,640
kind of been the same with the last

1388
00:54:11,410 --> 00:54:08,750
couple of them has been a magical

1389
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:11,420
geography course yeah but that's like as

1390
00:54:15,340 --> 00:54:13,130
I said it's my wheelhouse permaculture

1391
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:15,350
animism so well it's how I live it's

1392
00:54:19,990 --> 00:54:17,690
probably the most personal but for THC

1393
00:54:21,490 --> 00:54:20,000
members I'd like it to be clear it's not

1394
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:21,500
a school like you don't have to start

1395
00:54:24,730 --> 00:54:23,450
with the first one you don't do it this

1396
00:54:26,590 --> 00:54:24,740
is life do whatever you [\h__\h] want

1397
00:54:28,300 --> 00:54:26,600
right so you certainly don't have to do

1398
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:28,310
the first course of that the second

1399
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:30,530
course and then whatever it's you may

1400
00:54:33,430 --> 00:54:31,970
know some of the stuff already you may

1401
00:54:36,070 --> 00:54:33,440
be only interested in a little bit of it

1402
00:54:37,780 --> 00:54:36,080
or none of it but how it works is the

1403
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:37,790
members each a quarter will vote for the

1404
00:54:41,830 --> 00:54:39,410
course we do the next quarter so I don't

1405
00:54:44,410 --> 00:54:41,840
even know what it is coming up for what

1406
00:54:46,240 --> 00:54:44,420
are we going into q3 right I don't know

1407
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:46,250
what it is yet so it's sort of casual

1408
00:54:51,490 --> 00:54:48,050
like that and you definitely don't it's

1409
00:54:54,970 --> 00:54:51,500
not and this is such a serious reason as

1410
00:54:58,240 --> 00:54:54,980
to why I think that 19th century should

1411
00:55:00,730 --> 00:54:58,250
e free Masonic Golden Dawn model doesn't

1412
00:55:02,530 --> 00:55:00,740
work or it would have worked the idea

1413
00:55:04,060 --> 00:55:02,540
that you can put together a magic course

1414
00:55:05,860 --> 00:55:04,070
because you know everything there is to

1415
00:55:07,660 --> 00:55:05,870
know about it and you've got to the top

1416
00:55:09,610 --> 00:55:07,670
of it so in year one you do this a year

1417
00:55:11,230 --> 00:55:09,620
to you do that it's crap it's cracked

1418
00:55:14,220 --> 00:55:11,240
the school like that that structure is

1419
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:14,230
artificial in any kind of attempt to

1420
00:55:20,110 --> 00:55:17,810
share information or experience putting

1421
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:20,120
it in some kind of lunatic hierarchy

1422
00:55:24,190 --> 00:55:21,650
that was originally based on the church

1423
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:24,200
doesn't work you've done a bunch of

1424
00:55:29,410 --> 00:55:25,970
shows about you know schooling and so on

1425
00:55:30,550 --> 00:55:29,420
it's not how so how humans one I'm still

1426
00:55:31,990 --> 00:55:30,560
not sure how much I even know about

1427
00:55:35,350 --> 00:55:32,000
magic and I've been doing it for twenty

1428
00:55:36,910 --> 00:55:35,360
years right and more but I can share the

1429
00:55:39,250 --> 00:55:36,920
things that have worked for me and and

1430
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:39,260
what I think's going on and and I share

1431
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:40,850
it horizontally and then people play

1432
00:55:44,270 --> 00:55:42,410
with it and share back and and that

1433
00:55:46,339 --> 00:55:44,280
seems to be what we've done and

1434
00:55:47,839 --> 00:55:46,349
you don't even like people join and

1435
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:47,849
don't do any of the courses cuz they're

1436
00:55:52,220 --> 00:55:50,970
just interested in seeing you know what

1437
00:55:53,930 --> 00:55:52,230
these guys are doing and what we're

1438
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:53,940
talking about and they find it written

1439
00:55:57,650 --> 00:55:55,410
in it that way and we also have some

1440
00:55:59,810 --> 00:55:57,660
very serious and experienced magicians

1441
00:56:04,099 --> 00:55:59,820
who are kind of like you know touching

1442
00:56:06,470 --> 00:56:04,109
up their tech I guess yeah it really is

1443
00:56:09,460 --> 00:56:06,480
kind of a special thing and it's awesome

1444
00:56:12,140 --> 00:56:09,470
to see cuz when we did our first

1445
00:56:14,599 --> 00:56:12,150
interview of the ten none of that

1446
00:56:16,750 --> 00:56:14,609
existed I don't think either of us had a

1447
00:56:19,670 --> 00:56:16,760
premium section yet we were just doing

1448
00:56:21,230 --> 00:56:19,680
podcasts and it's just awesome to see

1449
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:21,240
where it's gone I really love the first

1450
00:56:26,210 --> 00:56:24,450
few courses so I get really excited when

1451
00:56:28,370 --> 00:56:26,220
I see the new one come out magical

1452
00:56:30,170 --> 00:56:28,380
geography and journeying and even Saints

1453
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:30,180
are really high on my list and ancestors

1454
00:56:33,830 --> 00:56:32,130
they're all high on my list of things I

1455
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:33,840
want to do I just have this weird habit

1456
00:56:38,900 --> 00:56:36,810
of collecting things that oh I'm when I

1457
00:56:40,490 --> 00:56:38,910
want to dig into X Y or Z this is how

1458
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:40,500
I'm gonna do it and then I collect those

1459
00:56:44,060 --> 00:56:42,450
things and then I just don't get that

1460
00:56:46,250 --> 00:56:44,070
far on the to-do list so that's totally

1461
00:56:48,620 --> 00:56:46,260
always the case and that's sort of my

1462
00:56:50,720 --> 00:56:48,630
life as well like you gather a whole

1463
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:50,730
bunch of material for something that if

1464
00:56:54,859 --> 00:56:52,410
this happens I'm gonna need that I'm not

1465
00:56:57,680 --> 00:56:54,869
in a holding sense but like I'm quite

1466
00:57:01,520 --> 00:56:57,690
happy with my library that grows each

1467
00:57:02,870 --> 00:57:01,530
month but I have staff it I I have you

1468
00:57:06,500 --> 00:57:02,880
know hundreds of books I haven't even

1469
00:57:08,450 --> 00:57:06,510
opened but I will when I'm doing that

1470
00:57:10,339 --> 00:57:08,460
kind of work so it's just it's there

1471
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:10,349
like I mean I know you had from your

1472
00:57:16,010 --> 00:57:13,410
first forays into an ancestral altar

1473
00:57:17,900 --> 00:57:16,020
stuff you got some of those of those

1474
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:17,910
surprising effects of kind of like

1475
00:57:21,589 --> 00:57:19,170
knowledge and perspective in your life

1476
00:57:23,180 --> 00:57:21,599
so I know that at some stage when you're

1477
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:23,190
kind of like back in that mood you're

1478
00:57:26,290 --> 00:57:24,570
like I have that whole [\h__\h] course I

1479
00:57:30,170 --> 00:57:26,300
can go through and then you'll do it

1480
00:57:33,770 --> 00:57:30,180
mm-hmm yes I learned quite a bit about

1481
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:33,780
the pre Greg family and the whole family

1482
00:57:38,570 --> 00:57:36,690
tree and how it's been way more affected

1483
00:57:42,190 --> 00:57:38,580
by the actions of Empire than I ever

1484
00:57:45,290 --> 00:57:42,200
realized and it seems I had a classic

1485
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:45,300
archetypal big gay uncle who I will

1486
00:57:49,190 --> 00:57:47,490
never meet because of the big machine

1487
00:57:51,530 --> 00:57:49,200
and how it treats people who are

1488
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:51,540
different which folds right into the

1489
00:57:57,309 --> 00:57:54,810
overall themes of the day it seems yeah

1490
00:57:58,509 --> 00:57:57,319
I actually think I mentioned you if

1491
00:58:00,789 --> 00:57:58,519
memory I think I mentioned you in the

1492
00:58:02,439 --> 00:58:00,799
course for that reason as an example of

1493
00:58:05,049 --> 00:58:02,449
the kind of weird stuff that happens in

1494
00:58:07,029 --> 00:58:05,059
people every other culture in the world

1495
00:58:09,249 --> 00:58:07,039
will tell you to get right with your

1496
00:58:10,499 --> 00:58:09,259
ancestors and and a lot of the problems

1497
00:58:12,969 --> 00:58:10,509
in your life

1498
00:58:14,559 --> 00:58:12,979
friction problems that come from that

1499
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:14,569
sort of dysfunction they are either

1500
00:58:17,979 --> 00:58:15,890
hungry or sick and you have that

1501
00:58:20,170 --> 00:58:17,989
responsibility to be of assistance to

1502
00:58:21,519 --> 00:58:20,180
them but also who else in the cause of

1503
00:58:22,930 --> 00:58:21,529
asses can I have your back then you're

1504
00:58:25,449 --> 00:58:22,940
in family by a margin even if your

1505
00:58:27,759 --> 00:58:25,459
family is trash for multiple generations

1506
00:58:29,589 --> 00:58:27,769
the fact that you're alive means that

1507
00:58:32,410 --> 00:58:29,599
you have ancestors that go back to the

1508
00:58:33,939 --> 00:58:32,420
first human I can promise you you could

1509
00:58:35,949 --> 00:58:33,949
be from them and I'm sorry if this is

1510
00:58:38,559 --> 00:58:35,959
the case obviously you can be from the

1511
00:58:40,719 --> 00:58:38,569
worst most violent terrible family as

1512
00:58:42,370 --> 00:58:40,729
far back as you can see let me tell you

1513
00:58:43,989 --> 00:58:42,380
you can't see that far and there are

1514
00:58:46,170 --> 00:58:43,999
people way up that lineage you have your

1515
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:46,180
back and it's just really interesting to

1516
00:58:50,319 --> 00:58:48,410
to get back into it's the same with

1517
00:58:52,839 --> 00:58:50,329
magical geography to get back into to

1518
00:58:54,849 --> 00:58:52,849
being on to realizing that your feet

1519
00:58:57,420 --> 00:58:54,859
touch an earth it's alive is the same

1520
00:59:00,670 --> 00:58:57,430
thing as realizing that you are the

1521
00:59:03,699 --> 00:59:00,680
scion or Fountainhead of a vast army of

1522
00:59:07,239 --> 00:59:03,709
the dead who want you to succeed because

1523
00:59:09,309 --> 00:59:07,249
they made you right and even just the

1524
00:59:10,689 --> 00:59:09,319
perspective shift is enough to

1525
00:59:12,609 --> 00:59:10,699
materially improve your life and then

1526
00:59:16,329 --> 00:59:12,619
when you approach that with humility it

1527
00:59:18,279 --> 00:59:16,339
does even more yeah yeah it's a great

1528
00:59:21,009 --> 00:59:18,289
way to look at things and hey I like to

1529
00:59:24,430 --> 00:59:21,019
hear about me so maybe ancestry my next

1530
00:59:26,109 --> 00:59:24,440
one but right oh man this has been a lot

1531
00:59:28,689 --> 00:59:26,119
of fun let's do the promotion thing we

1532
00:59:30,670 --> 00:59:28,699
do and say that you do have some

1533
00:59:32,559 --> 00:59:30,680
upcoming events I'll see you in Austin

1534
00:59:34,569 --> 00:59:32,569
at the Portland one this summer for sure

1535
00:59:36,189 --> 00:59:34,579
but let the people know about the things

1536
00:59:37,029 --> 00:59:36,199
that they should know about yes

1537
00:59:40,420 --> 00:59:37,039
absolutely

1538
00:59:42,430 --> 00:59:40,430
so I have a three day workshop in New

1539
00:59:46,150 --> 00:59:42,440
York on I think it's the fifth sixth and

1540
00:59:48,459 --> 00:59:46,160
seventh of oh it's six seven eight of

1541
00:59:49,959 --> 00:59:48,469
December September rather the

1542
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:49,969
metaphysics of desire that's with a good

1543
00:59:55,029 --> 00:59:51,650
friend of mine Langston Kahn who say

1544
00:59:57,910 --> 00:59:55,039
Brooklyn based shaman and that's going

1545
00:59:59,979 --> 00:59:57,920
to be unpacking desire and and kind of

1546
01:00:02,799 --> 00:59:59,989
how how we get that wrong from a

1547
01:00:03,999 --> 01:00:02,809
cultural and always economic perspective

1548
01:00:06,219 --> 01:00:04,009
and exploring the difference between

1549
01:00:08,199 --> 01:00:06,229
want and need and and what happens to

1550
01:00:09,260 --> 01:00:08,209
your life when you kind of have a more

1551
01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:09,270
embodied and healthy

1552
01:00:13,910 --> 01:00:11,610
that's gonna be lots of ritual and

1553
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:13,920
journeying and so on and I'm super

1554
01:00:16,730 --> 01:00:15,210
excited he might been working on that

1555
01:00:18,500 --> 01:00:16,740
since the beginning of the year so

1556
01:00:20,390 --> 01:00:18,510
that's like probably about half sold out

1557
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:20,400
because we mentioned it a couple of days

1558
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:22,530
ago and that's obviously very limited

1559
01:00:26,300 --> 01:00:24,330
we're you know this large and fancy

1560
01:00:27,410 --> 01:00:26,310
private residence in Upper Manhattan so

1561
01:00:29,150 --> 01:00:27,420
it's gonna be great

1562
01:00:32,390 --> 01:00:29,160
that one I'm looking forward to as I

1563
01:00:34,730 --> 01:00:32,400
mentioned in the last show that I will

1564
01:00:36,710 --> 01:00:34,740
and the tickets are available yet so

1565
01:00:38,450 --> 01:00:36,720
I'll just have to just keep an eye on

1566
01:00:40,460 --> 01:00:38,460
the the website or the Facebook page for

1567
01:00:44,060 --> 01:00:40,470
it but I will be speaking with Diana

1568
01:00:45,770 --> 01:00:44,070
Welsh Basilica about UFOs and I think

1569
01:00:48,770 --> 01:00:45,780
the events called technology is habitat

1570
01:00:49,940 --> 01:00:48,780
so it's about UFOs and technology and

1571
01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:49,950
their influence in the media at the

1572
01:00:52,790 --> 01:00:51,570
Guggenheim again in New York and that'll

1573
01:00:55,190 --> 01:00:52,800
be in the evening of Tuesday September

1574
01:00:56,870 --> 01:00:55,200
10 the tickets will be available from

1575
01:00:58,970 --> 01:00:56,880
the Guggenheim website and that's why I

1576
01:01:00,890 --> 01:00:58,980
have no control over when they're

1577
01:01:02,630 --> 01:01:00,900
available but those are my two events

1578
01:01:04,430 --> 01:01:02,640
that aren't yet sold out that are coming

1579
01:01:09,170 --> 01:01:04,440
out and otherwise of course une soupe

1580
01:01:12,620 --> 01:01:09,180
comm is where everything is mmm Wow

1581
01:01:14,630 --> 01:01:12,630
making moves doing things it's always

1582
01:01:16,490 --> 01:01:14,640
fun to hear what you got going on man

1583
01:01:19,460 --> 01:01:16,500
you're definitely leaning into life and

1584
01:01:21,980 --> 01:01:19,470
I appreciate you spending some of your

1585
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:21,990
birthday with us today and really just

1586
01:01:26,630 --> 01:01:24,210
for being along on what has been a

1587
01:01:28,250 --> 01:01:26,640
pretty long ride at this point again

1588
01:01:30,470 --> 01:01:28,260
when we did that first interview many

1589
01:01:32,390 --> 01:01:30,480
moons ago we both had jobs and now

1590
01:01:34,130 --> 01:01:32,400
you're cultivating the Tasmanian

1591
01:01:35,660 --> 01:01:34,140
permaculture paradise and taking

1592
01:01:37,820 --> 01:01:35,670
wizarding adventures around the globe

1593
01:01:41,930 --> 01:01:37,830
and I'm getting in my five hours of

1594
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:41,940
Stonegate I think it's going well for us

1595
01:01:46,290 --> 01:01:43,770
keep doing the great things you're doing

1596
01:01:53,670 --> 01:01:46,300
man take care YouTube

1597
01:01:56,670 --> 01:01:53,680
oh oh it's magic you know guys 10 shows

1598
01:01:59,160 --> 01:01:56,680
a bit of a milestone for one of our

1599
01:02:01,290 --> 01:01:59,170
guests leaving Nick Redfern in the dust

1600
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:01,300
because you can't have two dates to the

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ball but a big happy birthday to mr.

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white obviously you're hearing this

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01:02:11,580 --> 01:02:08,500
after the fact but who doesn't like some

1604
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:11,590
well wishes and the topics of this show

1605
01:02:16,770 --> 01:02:14,290
really felt like I was running on two

1606
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:16,780
different cycles of time because on a

1607
01:02:21,420 --> 01:02:19,210
short cycle yeah we just had a couple of

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01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:21,430
shows talking about transhumanism and

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01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:23,890
gender and we also had a few recent

1610
01:02:29,430 --> 01:02:25,810
guests with negative outlooks on

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01:02:31,500 --> 01:02:29,440
Gnosticism so it was pretty timely as a

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01:02:34,530 --> 01:02:31,510
counterpoint to some very recent

1613
01:02:38,130 --> 01:02:34,540
episodes but me and Gordon talked about

1614
01:02:40,260 --> 01:02:38,140
doing this kind of show over a year ago

1615
01:02:43,020 --> 01:02:40,270
I specifically said to him that we

1616
01:02:46,110 --> 01:02:43,030
should try to get into post-modernism

1617
01:02:47,940 --> 01:02:46,120
next time but I'm not sure if it's

1618
01:02:49,890 --> 01:02:47,950
really the best use of our time because

1619
01:02:52,350 --> 01:02:49,900
we can talk about so many epic and

1620
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:52,360
interesting things do we want to bore

1621
01:02:58,350 --> 01:02:55,810
people with the deep nuances of various

1622
01:03:00,330 --> 01:02:58,360
philosophies but I did get a lot of

1623
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:00,340
negative feedback over guest's

1624
01:03:06,180 --> 01:03:03,010
suggestion that there is a transhumanist

1625
01:03:08,030 --> 01:03:06,190
agenda behind autism and transgenderism

1626
01:03:11,220 --> 01:03:08,040
this isn't the first time it's come up

1627
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:11,230
and when I say a lot of negative

1628
01:03:15,570 --> 01:03:13,450
feedback you got to put it in context

1629
01:03:17,870 --> 01:03:15,580
and most people will say nothing and

1630
01:03:21,420 --> 01:03:17,880
just listen and then go about their day

1631
01:03:22,950 --> 01:03:21,430
but it's like the old thing with the TV

1632
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:22,960
networks you got a million people

1633
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:25,210
watching a show something controversial

1634
01:03:30,810 --> 01:03:28,090
is said and then you get 500 letters

1635
01:03:33,420 --> 01:03:30,820
about it well people don't tend to write

1636
01:03:37,230 --> 01:03:33,430
letters about not being offended so

1637
01:03:39,780 --> 01:03:37,240
angry smaller groups of people who get

1638
01:03:42,930 --> 01:03:39,790
loud can keep a show from getting

1639
01:03:44,940 --> 01:03:42,940
controversial at all even though 500

1640
01:03:48,150 --> 01:03:44,950
letters should be no big deal if you

1641
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:48,160
have a million people watching I'm

1642
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:50,770
scaling up to use simple math for an

1643
01:03:55,650 --> 01:03:52,770
example but you understand what I mean

1644
01:03:57,990 --> 01:03:55,660
but that said I got a walk a narrow line

1645
01:04:00,140 --> 01:03:58,000
of being almost exclusively about

1646
01:04:03,109 --> 01:04:00,150
controversial material

1647
01:04:05,150 --> 01:04:03,119
and also remain a place where people on

1648
01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:05,160
the margins of society feel as if

1649
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:07,170
they're included and we're on the same

1650
01:04:13,700 --> 01:04:09,930
team there's really no guide for this

1651
01:04:15,410 --> 01:04:13,710
I'm just doing it as I do it we are

1652
01:04:17,839 --> 01:04:15,420
often gonna look at every little

1653
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:17,849
microcosm and trend and say well is

1654
01:04:23,109 --> 01:04:20,490
there an agenda here and sometimes that

1655
01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:23,119
spotlight is going to shine on something

1656
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:26,130
uncomfortable or on a category in which

1657
01:04:31,789 --> 01:04:29,250
we personally belong but I hope you can

1658
01:04:33,799 --> 01:04:31,799
grant me a little grace and tune in

1659
01:04:37,460 --> 01:04:33,809
again next week same bat-time same

1660
01:04:40,460 --> 01:04:37,470
bat-channel and I engaged with way more

1661
01:04:42,620 --> 01:04:40,470
of these angry comments than is typical

1662
01:04:45,019 --> 01:04:42,630
for me and I think that's because I had

1663
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:45,029
some mixed feelings and some would say

1664
01:04:50,750 --> 01:04:47,730
well why don't you get a transgender

1665
01:04:52,819 --> 01:04:50,760
person on to defend themselves and I

1666
01:04:55,190 --> 01:04:52,829
thought well number one this shows motto

1667
01:04:58,220 --> 01:04:55,200
is not fair and balanced it's are we

1668
01:05:00,710 --> 01:04:58,230
being [\h__\h] when it comes to X Y or Z

1669
01:05:03,650 --> 01:05:00,720
so it's not exactly the right approach

1670
01:05:07,099 --> 01:05:03,660
and number two I don't think that being

1671
01:05:09,769 --> 01:05:07,109
transgender necessarily makes you any

1672
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:09,779
better equipped at speaking about the

1673
01:05:16,789 --> 01:05:13,730
possibility of a conspiracy behind it

1674
01:05:18,890 --> 01:05:16,799
obviously a transgender person can talk

1675
01:05:21,109 --> 01:05:18,900
about what it's like to have those

1676
01:05:24,380 --> 01:05:21,119
thoughts and feelings from a position of

1677
01:05:27,410 --> 01:05:24,390
experience but it doesn't mean you know

1678
01:05:30,430 --> 01:05:27,420
why you are that way none of us do none

1679
01:05:33,170 --> 01:05:30,440
of us know why we are the way we are and

1680
01:05:37,010 --> 01:05:33,180
examining the roadmap to that is

1681
01:05:39,890 --> 01:05:37,020
interesting is it nature is it nurture

1682
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:39,900
is it a dark are Connick Luciferian

1683
01:05:45,980 --> 01:05:43,890
agenda but I do think Gordon for having

1684
01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:45,990
this thorny conversation when he really

1685
01:05:51,829 --> 01:05:49,170
didn't have to as he said he's not even

1686
01:05:56,180 --> 01:05:51,839
really a postmodernist it's not really

1687
01:05:58,039 --> 01:05:56,190
his Hill to die on but we can still talk

1688
01:06:00,049 --> 01:05:58,049
about its merits and those

1689
01:06:03,470 --> 01:06:00,059
conspiratorial opinions about it because

1690
01:06:06,019 --> 01:06:03,480
he knows those as well even way back

1691
01:06:09,049 --> 01:06:06,029
when we talked about Charles Fort Gordon

1692
01:06:12,890 --> 01:06:09,059
made a comment about how Charles used to

1693
01:06:14,030 --> 01:06:12,900
change the labels on peach cans and

1694
01:06:18,110 --> 01:06:14,040
Barry

1695
01:06:20,810 --> 01:06:18,120
canned goods and that sort of category

1696
01:06:23,090 --> 01:06:20,820
play his post-modernism

1697
01:06:26,630 --> 01:06:23,100
and I thought about it then but then I

1698
01:06:29,120 --> 01:06:26,640
just waited until all this time later to

1699
01:06:33,020 --> 01:06:29,130
really get in and try to unpack a lot of

1700
01:06:37,550 --> 01:06:33,030
that and decolonizing is a great term

1701
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:37,560
change - it's absolutely hard to get

1702
01:06:43,460 --> 01:06:39,690
outside of the Western mindset when it's

1703
01:06:46,340 --> 01:06:43,470
all you know but a lack of culture and

1704
01:06:49,310 --> 01:06:46,350
identity because you've been trampled by

1705
01:06:52,940 --> 01:06:49,320
the Empire is no small thing

1706
01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:52,950
and imagine generations later throwing

1707
01:06:59,710 --> 01:06:56,490
off that yoke as a people and trying to

1708
01:07:03,620 --> 01:06:59,720
piece back what you want to believe and

1709
01:07:05,750 --> 01:07:03,630
properly ctrl alt deleting anything that

1710
01:07:08,780 --> 01:07:05,760
was imprinted by the tyrants that took

1711
01:07:13,340 --> 01:07:08,790
you over surprise probably Christians

1712
01:07:15,770 --> 01:07:13,350
more or less it's very hard we're sort

1713
01:07:19,490 --> 01:07:15,780
of like sponges sometimes in that regard

1714
01:07:21,820 --> 01:07:19,500
and I don't think it's easy to go back

1715
01:07:25,540 --> 01:07:21,830
and detangle your old ways sometimes

1716
01:07:28,370 --> 01:07:25,550
Native Americans black people in America

1717
01:07:30,820 --> 01:07:28,380
the India example that Gordon gave I

1718
01:07:34,250 --> 01:07:30,830
mean think about that stuff a little bit

1719
01:07:36,710 --> 01:07:34,260
so it is good to see people pushing back

1720
01:07:40,460 --> 01:07:36,720
against a system that's defining them

1721
01:07:43,160 --> 01:07:40,470
for them I've wrestled with it I knew it

1722
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:43,170
would be a problematic definition to say

1723
01:07:48,110 --> 01:07:45,810
this is a conspiracy show I knew it

1724
01:07:51,230 --> 01:07:48,120
would be taken less seriously if I

1725
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:51,240
embrace the stoner element but we can

1726
01:07:56,150 --> 01:07:53,610
overcome those judgments for people who

1727
01:07:57,830 --> 01:07:56,160
stick around to not judge the book by

1728
01:07:59,420 --> 01:07:57,840
its cover

1729
01:08:01,610 --> 01:07:59,430
I don't even know if that analogy makes

1730
01:08:04,940 --> 01:08:01,620
sense but when it comes to how we should

1731
01:08:07,340 --> 01:08:04,950
live what's right and proper to frame it

1732
01:08:09,980 --> 01:08:07,350
as so you're saying a bunch of rich

1733
01:08:11,780 --> 01:08:09,990
white men around the Year 300 got it

1734
01:08:14,390 --> 01:08:11,790
exactly right and we should conform to

1735
01:08:16,550 --> 01:08:14,400
their structure forever is really great

1736
01:08:19,910 --> 01:08:16,560
and I hope people will sit with that for

1737
01:08:22,970 --> 01:08:19,920
a while I like that taking back the

1738
01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:22,980
label-maker phrase also as I said people

1739
01:08:29,030 --> 01:08:25,770
should define themselves yes of course

1740
01:08:31,220 --> 01:08:29,040
some people take that too far but find

1741
01:08:33,230 --> 01:08:31,230
me a topic area where we won't find some

1742
01:08:36,320 --> 01:08:33,240
examples of people going off the handle

1743
01:08:39,380 --> 01:08:36,330
of something and if we're all just lost

1744
01:08:41,690 --> 01:08:39,390
souls swimming in the fishbowl then

1745
01:08:44,269 --> 01:08:41,700
arguing with each other over how we

1746
01:08:48,410 --> 01:08:44,279
should live to the benefit of the real

1747
01:08:50,780 --> 01:08:48,420
oppressors that's not good I also don't

1748
01:08:52,789 --> 01:08:50,790
want to see the behaviorists and social

1749
01:08:54,559 --> 01:08:52,799
engineers take advantage of a growing

1750
01:08:57,079 --> 01:08:54,569
sentiment and steer it in a way that

1751
01:09:00,559 --> 01:08:57,089
suits what they want to see rather than

1752
01:09:02,749 --> 01:09:00,569
people truly finding themselves that's

1753
01:09:05,300 --> 01:09:02,759
in the mix too clearly that can be

1754
01:09:07,220 --> 01:09:05,310
hijacked and that's up to each person to

1755
01:09:11,620 --> 01:09:07,230
guard against and to just go live their

1756
01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:11,630
best life is your best life criticizing

1757
01:09:18,570 --> 01:09:15,130
transgenders on the Internet

1758
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:18,580
I'm not sure that it is if we're getting

1759
01:09:23,160 --> 01:09:20,650
into it I really don't like that idea of

1760
01:09:26,340 --> 01:09:23,170
giving children chemicals to block or

1761
01:09:29,220 --> 01:09:26,350
alter their puberty process that feels

1762
01:09:31,980 --> 01:09:29,230
like child abuse in my eyes but that has

1763
01:09:34,500 --> 01:09:31,990
more to do with Big Pharma and the toxic

1764
01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:34,510
system [\h__\h] chemical cocktails that

1765
01:09:39,360 --> 01:09:36,250
they come up with everything has side

1766
01:09:41,490 --> 01:09:39,370
effects and just waiting until someone

1767
01:09:45,690 --> 01:09:41,500
is through that childhood process and

1768
01:09:48,120 --> 01:09:45,700
becomes an adult might be best we have

1769
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:48,130
rules for smoking cigarettes getting

1770
01:09:55,830 --> 01:09:52,810
tattoos and drinking alcohol maybe that

1771
01:09:58,110 --> 01:09:55,840
same rule should apply to altering your

1772
01:10:00,049 --> 01:09:58,120
testosterone and estrogen levels

1773
01:10:02,510 --> 01:10:00,059
artificially

1774
01:10:05,299 --> 01:10:02,520
but even with that said as Gordon

1775
01:10:08,479 --> 01:10:05,309
mentioned this transgender op issue gets

1776
01:10:11,839 --> 01:10:08,489
way more airtime on these sorts of shows

1777
01:10:14,330 --> 01:10:11,849
than it probably should the numbers who

1778
01:10:17,270 --> 01:10:14,340
would be affected here are quite small

1779
01:10:21,229 --> 01:10:17,280
compared to something like GMOs 5g or

1780
01:10:23,450 --> 01:10:21,239
vaccines again powerful people will tell

1781
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:23,460
you a false story about reality to keep

1782
01:10:27,919 --> 01:10:25,050
themselves in power and that applies to

1783
01:10:30,649 --> 01:10:27,929
all three of those areas and it's sort

1784
01:10:32,180 --> 01:10:30,659
of a catch-22 to say damn the elite I

1785
01:10:34,549 --> 01:10:32,190
want to overcome this oppressive

1786
01:10:35,770 --> 01:10:34,559
structure they built for me this rat

1787
01:10:38,029 --> 01:10:35,780
race to nowhere

1788
01:10:39,649 --> 01:10:38,039
but on the other hand we have to

1789
01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:39,659
preserve our traditions or we'll all

1790
01:10:46,339 --> 01:10:43,050
descend into chaos it's interesting to

1791
01:10:48,319 --> 01:10:46,349
see some people compartmentalize certain

1792
01:10:50,839 --> 01:10:48,329
aspects of Western life when it's been

1793
01:10:53,779 --> 01:10:50,849
shoved down our throats as the only way

1794
01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:53,789
to be you want two wives and they want

1795
01:10:59,180 --> 01:10:55,770
to share a husband for whatever reason

1796
01:11:01,040 --> 01:10:59,190
nope not allowed you will go to jail you

1797
01:11:03,740 --> 01:11:01,050
want to drop out of college well good

1798
01:11:05,510 --> 01:11:03,750
luck being [\h__\h] you think you're gay

1799
01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:05,520
oh well that's impossible well

1800
01:11:12,649 --> 01:11:08,690
electroshock that right idea don't worry

1801
01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:12,659
how do you decouple the Empire from

1802
01:11:18,140 --> 01:11:16,170
these traditional values I'm not saying

1803
01:11:21,229 --> 01:11:18,150
I have a solution these are just things

1804
01:11:23,359 --> 01:11:21,239
I'm thinking about and I knew there was

1805
01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:23,369
gonna be some risk here but I'm hoping

1806
01:11:29,510 --> 01:11:26,130
that people who feel disenfranchised by

1807
01:11:32,810 --> 01:11:29,520
a few episodes of THC are now franchised

1808
01:11:34,819 --> 01:11:32,820
again some commenters even said well I

1809
01:11:36,709 --> 01:11:34,829
guess if your show is a place that makes

1810
01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:36,719
straight white men happy you don't have

1811
01:11:42,979 --> 01:11:38,730
to worry about the smaller demographics

1812
01:11:45,410 --> 01:11:42,989
and that is a true statement I probably

1813
01:11:48,979 --> 01:11:45,420
don't have to worry about it but I still

1814
01:11:52,129 --> 01:11:48,989
do sometimes anyway because I love all

1815
01:11:54,260 --> 01:11:52,139
the outsiders and maybe there is more

1816
01:11:58,459 --> 01:11:54,270
than one way to look at some of this

1817
01:12:01,910 --> 01:11:58,469
stuff people send me emails where they

1818
01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:01,920
list examples of gay characters on TV

1819
01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:04,530
and say here's another example of them

1820
01:12:09,830 --> 01:12:07,650
pushing the gay agenda and I just think

1821
01:12:12,950 --> 01:12:09,840
well hold on

1822
01:12:15,740 --> 01:12:12,960
gay people have been around forever so

1823
01:12:20,060 --> 01:12:15,750
this isn't a new thing and so we have

1824
01:12:22,190 --> 01:12:20,070
two choices we can leave them out of all

1825
01:12:25,550 --> 01:12:22,200
media and it's just a straight white

1826
01:12:28,940 --> 01:12:25,560
paradise or we can give marginalized

1827
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:28,950
people some characters that they can

1828
01:12:34,700 --> 01:12:31,730
relate to and when you do that

1829
01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:34,710
conservatives will say it's an injection

1830
01:12:42,710 --> 01:12:38,970
and an operation and I think sometimes

1831
01:12:45,350 --> 01:12:42,720
it's not really that big of a deal do

1832
01:12:47,300 --> 01:12:45,360
you know anyone who's suddenly become

1833
01:12:50,330 --> 01:12:47,310
gay because they resonated with a

1834
01:12:53,780 --> 01:12:50,340
certain television character I think

1835
01:12:56,270 --> 01:12:53,790
that's a little silly but regardless

1836
01:12:57,650 --> 01:12:56,280
where you lied don't crucify me please

1837
01:13:00,380 --> 01:12:57,660
for trying to find some middle ground

1838
01:13:02,510 --> 01:13:00,390
here all right and now that we've talked

1839
01:13:04,610 --> 01:13:02,520
that to death I really hope you heard

1840
01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:04,620
the full two-hour show because we

1841
01:13:10,010 --> 01:13:07,130
completely change course from the heavy

1842
01:13:12,650 --> 01:13:10,020
gnostic trans humanistic postmodern

1843
01:13:15,200 --> 01:13:12,660
conversation and went hard into the

1844
01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:15,210
weaponized disclosure we're seeing now

1845
01:13:20,990 --> 01:13:18,210
and I think Gordon is very clear-headed

1846
01:13:23,900 --> 01:13:21,000
when picking apart what we're seeing and

1847
01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:23,910
I really loved that part of the show and

1848
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:27,210
things like recasting the role of

1849
01:13:32,390 --> 01:13:30,090
real-life Tony Stark the dread-nots

1850
01:13:35,660 --> 01:13:32,400
model the case that Tom DeLonge is a

1851
01:13:38,060 --> 01:13:35,670
mind-control victim and you know I asked

1852
01:13:39,920 --> 01:13:38,070
that question well now that UFOs are

1853
01:13:42,500 --> 01:13:39,930
being disclosed when will we get the

1854
01:13:45,140 --> 01:13:42,510
flying saucers and the more I think

1855
01:13:47,740 --> 01:13:45,150
about it there is no guarantee that we

1856
01:13:50,210 --> 01:13:47,750
ever will we never got a non-military

1857
01:13:52,730 --> 01:13:50,220
application for the stealth bomber or

1858
01:13:56,450 --> 01:13:52,740
really submarines outside of a few

1859
01:13:58,570 --> 01:13:56,460
tourist trap places so just because they

1860
01:14:01,460 --> 01:13:58,580
might say these nuts and bolts

1861
01:14:04,670 --> 01:14:01,470
electrogravitic crafts exists they might

1862
01:14:07,490 --> 01:14:04,680
keep them in the military only market

1863
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well beyond the point in which they

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disclose they exist just a thought but

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we also talked about a deeper level of

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the panspermia perspective and it being

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a constant process rather than a

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singular event as I think a lot of

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people tend to think of it

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and we also talked about Gordon's magic

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classes a lot which are also fascinating

1872
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topics for discussion so do the damn

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thing and sign up for THC plus already

1874
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especially if you thought this was an

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01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:37,360
important checking of some persistent

1876
01:14:41,970 --> 01:14:39,130
narratives and conspiracy world right

1877
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now and if you have your mind made up

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and don't like having your view

1879
01:14:51,080 --> 01:14:47,530
challenged listen again more closely

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because nobody dismissed the idea of

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01:14:56,820 --> 01:14:55,690
manipulation completely just that maybe

1882
01:14:59,090 --> 01:14:56,830
there's a way to have a conversation

1883
01:15:03,000 --> 01:14:59,100
that doesn't feel quite so

1884
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:03,010
discriminatory but in THC news it seems

1885
01:15:08,330 --> 01:15:06,010
like the website is done and ready to be

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01:15:10,860 --> 01:15:08,340
implemented but upon further reflection

1887
01:15:13,170 --> 01:15:10,870
we're in the middle of a goddamn Mercury

1888
01:15:16,380 --> 01:15:13,180
retrograde a lunar eclipse is coming on

1889
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the 15th and I just wanted to see what

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Austin copic was saying about the next

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couple of weeks and his analysis for the

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15th in general which was going to be

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the suggested launch day and he says the

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moon spends Monday in route to a series

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of difficult late-night aspects this is

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needless to say not an auspicious time

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01:15:43,620 --> 01:15:41,800
to schedule important projects so I

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don't think there's any harm in waiting

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until the space weather smooths out and

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mercury is back to normal which

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01:15:52,230 --> 01:15:50,860
conveniently happens in August and

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August just happens to be the

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anniversary of the Plus system as a

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whole the anniversary of the price

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change anything we've really done has

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01:16:04,230 --> 01:16:02,620
been in August it seems to be the time

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01:16:07,380 --> 01:16:04,240
that we do things around here and so

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01:16:09,780 --> 01:16:07,390
August 8th specifically when Austin said

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would really dial in the best window is

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when we're gonna launch the new THC and

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we'll all live happily ever after in

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01:16:18,450 --> 01:16:16,570
perfect harmony

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01:16:20,489 --> 01:16:18,460
now that Ebstein's been formally charged

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with child trafficking right

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but hey that's another topic for another

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01:16:27,180 --> 01:16:24,880
day I'm getting out of here

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01:16:30,979 --> 01:16:27,190
your move culture dividers Empire

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writers and label maker masters your

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01:16:40,529 --> 01:16:36,909
[\h__\h] car would its just show now so

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01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:40,539
what's it gonna be people will tune in

1921
01:16:49,950 --> 01:16:45,010
to hear another new conspiracy almost

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01:16:54,089 --> 01:16:49,960
too much oh we thought this was low it's

1923
01:16:59,609 --> 01:16:54,099
bad getting worse so when all the good

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01:17:04,350 --> 01:16:59,619
people go there on the higher side chats

1925
01:17:08,209 --> 01:17:04,360
cuz it's everybody's favorite show where

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01:17:17,819 --> 01:17:11,069
he got Jamar's coated white and then

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01:17:20,580 --> 01:17:17,829
this crow they talk this in that on the

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01:17:23,370 --> 01:17:20,590
high side chat testing one two now what

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01:17:25,620 --> 01:17:23,380
you gonna do bad news misuse got too

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01:17:29,489 --> 01:17:25,630
much to lose give me some truth now

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01:17:32,790 --> 01:17:29,499
hoops side we on whatever you say turn

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01:17:37,350 --> 01:17:32,800
on the boob tube I'm in mood to obey so

1933
01:17:42,779 --> 01:17:37,360
lead me astray by the way now we're all

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01:17:48,239 --> 01:17:42,789
the good people go they lock them up but

1935
01:17:51,900 --> 01:17:48,249
seems for protesting Monsanto we're all

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they're on the THC my favorite show

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[Music]

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sitting down new episode to hear wanna

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01:18:13,540 --> 01:18:09,410
light a bowl but I fear the police can

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01:18:17,860 --> 01:18:13,550
you hear me can't interrupt me from this

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01:18:19,650 --> 01:18:17,870
friendly conversation been waiting all

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01:18:22,379 --> 01:18:19,660
week for THC

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01:18:26,070 --> 01:18:22,389
[Music]

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with the car would there's no hesitation

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01:18:30,300 --> 01:18:27,449
[Music]

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exposing the truth getting to the elite

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[Music]

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scams schemes conspiracies and treason

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it's an excellent show what I need to

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01:18:54,390 --> 01:18:49,470
then on getting hate and fear from all

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01:19:00,510 --> 01:18:54,400
the other hope when all the good people

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01:19:07,830 --> 01:19:00,520
go yes that makes th see my favorite

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01:19:10,709 --> 01:19:07,840
show this and that on the high side chat

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01:19:13,050 --> 01:19:10,719
testing one to know what you gonna do

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01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:13,060
bad news misuse come give me some truth

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01:19:20,010 --> 01:19:15,850
you got too much to lose recital on

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01:19:22,410 --> 01:19:20,020
today anyway okay whatever you say wrong

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01:19:26,100 --> 01:19:22,420
it doesn't open in the mood to a patient

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01:19:27,860 --> 01:19:26,110
to station desensitizing the nation